Spectacular poop!

I don't know. Maybe I am in serious denial, but a bird that poops like Wingnut just CAN'T be sick.

This morning, my boy bestowed upon me such a robust 'specimen' that I nearly photographed it, and posted it here. Not only did he 'SUPERSIZE' it, it was perfectly balanced, its coloration sublime, its consistency superb, it was practically a work of art.

I can only assume that he is trying to say to me, in his own little Wingnut way "Look Ma, I'm fine. You can stop worrying now."

I am so happy that his poop looks healthy I am so praying that Wingnut is going to be okay.

Good for you, Wingnut!

I'm seriously going to write a song about his poop.

I am so glad to hear that, Michelle! Regardless of whether those results were accurate or not, under your loving care I'm sure Wingnut is feeling very much on top of the world!

On a sidenote, isn't it the sign of a true bird enthusiast to get all excited about your parrot's poop? It's just one of those things that you can truly only talk about to people on the forum! Lol! Others just don't get it. But WE do! We're right there with you, Michelle!

Stephen, I was thinking the same thing! I was on the phone with my sister when I read this thread and she couldn't stop laughing at how excited I was to hear about a spectacular poop

Michele, I cannot wait to hear the song you write - I am officially holding you to that.

Only a bird nerd would gush about bird poop... ! Or read a post about it.

Not to feed false hopes, but there are some labs out there with shockingly high false positive rates...

"Diagnostic assays that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) methods are increasingly available to veterinarians. Psittacine beak and feather disease virus (family Circoviridae, genus Circovirus) is a pathogen of clinical importance for which PCR assays have been developed. Several laboratories offer this diagnostic assay in the United States; however, there is little information on the sensitivity, specificity, or accuracy of these assays. In this study, known positive (n = 10) and negative (n = 10) samples were sent to 5 commercial laboratories. Accuracy was 100% for 2 laboratories, 95% for 2 laboratories, and 71% for 1 laboratory; the accuracy of the latter laboratory was affected because of a specificity of 20%. These results suggest that although the results from most laboratories are highly accurate, both false-positive and false-negative results are occasionally reported by at least 2 laboratories. These results also suggest that at least 1 laboratory may be generating large numbers of false-positive results."

30% is amazingly high - if it was this lab, or one like it...

Has he ever shown any sign of illness?

It makes me wonder if an otherwise perfectly healthy young bird could actually be sick...

There is another study I've read that said that some birds are immune of PBFD, and that the parent birds may pass on the immunity, and hence the markers for the disease to their offspring...

Could this be the case for wingnut?

Was he ever exposed? What was his history.

I've been trying to make sense of this myself since you posted it...

I'm still hopeful this is all a mistake.

anansi said:

i am so glad to hear that, michelle! Regardless of whether those results were accurate or not, under your loving care i'm sure wingnut is feeling very much on top of the world!

On a sidenote, isn't it the sign of a true bird enthusiast to get all excited about your parrot's poop? It's just one of those things that you can truly only talk about to people on the forum! Lol! Others just don't get it. But we do! We're right there with you, michelle!

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or as my girlfriend would say: "what the hell is wrong with you!!!"

You managed to make me laugh my butt over your post.

Good pooping, Wingnut!

I, too, stare in amazement at Ripley's morning poop, often wondering WHERE on earth he stored that. :54:

Birdman your outlook is much the same as my boyfriends- there's something not adding up.

Upon being made aware of the test results, man who owns the store from where all three of our birds came was immediately and understandably quite concerned. My boyfriend was the one who told him, and he insisted that I call him ASAP, so he could make me feel better. After speaking to him, I feel a LOT better, and am now skeptical with regard to the integrity of the test results.

In speaking with him, the store owner brought up several points, among which are;

Wingnut is five months old. I've had him since he was three months old. If he had either of these viruses, he would have become ill by now.
Loki lived in the same room as Wingnut in the store, lived NEXT to Wingnut in our house, and she tested negative.
Being a YCM, much smaller and fragile, he told me Loki would actually be more susceptible to the illness, and not only would have tested positive, but would probably have become ill if not died by this point.
The way birds are housed in this store, if Wingnut (or any bird ) were carrying these diseases, there would have been a major outbreak.

He also asked me to bring both Wingnut and Loki in to see him, which I did. He handled both of them and actually had Wingnut on his shoulder in his own bird room. I don't know if it was a clever display, but it sure is a testament to his confidence that Wingnut is OK. If he thought there was a chance that Wingnut is carrying a deadly, contagious disease, he would have to be crazy, or a fool to walk him around a room which houses hundreds of thousands of dollars in live birds.

I don't know. I won't know- for at least another 30 or so days. But till then, I'm just going to keep loving on my feathered poop machine as if there is nothing wrong.

I just posted something for you in another thread... the one where you brought Wingnut home. READ IT, IT'S FROM A LEADING VET ON PBFD EXPOSURE...

Even a positive test does not necessarily mean your bird has it, or is going to develop it. [10 out of 12 - DID NOT!!!] It just means he was exposed to it.

And again with a 29% false positive, if he's not showing any feather condition problems... I would tend to doubt the diagnosis is something etched in stone.

Wait and see 90 days...

I never heard of a poop sample described as sublime. That really cracked me up. I hope Wingnut continues to do well.

BirdyMomma said:

The way birds are housed in this store, if Wingnut (or any bird ) were carrying these diseases, there would have been a major outbreak.

He also asked me to bring both Wingnut and Loki in to see him, which I did. He handled both of them and actually had Wingnut on his shoulder in his own bird room. I don't know if it was a clever display, but it sure is a testament to his confidence that Wingnut is OK. If he thought there was a chance that Wingnut is carrying a deadly, contagious disease, he would have to be crazy, or a fool to walk him around a room which houses hundreds of thousands of dollars in live birds.

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Sorry, but he is a fool. I would not have taken that chance. It was very, very reckless of him. BUT I also have serious doubts about the integrity of that test. And if your bird shows no traces of feather problems in the next 90 days... I think it's busted!

Did you read that other research quote from the PBFD research vet? 10 OUT OF 12 BIRDS WHO WERE EXPOSED AND TESTED POSITIVE DID NOT COME DOWN WITH THE DISEASE!!!

So, there are plenty of reasons to hope!

I told Michele this, but when our first grey was diagnosed with PBFD his grey feathers were falling out and coming back in red, which is what prompted my partner to take him to the vet. She was lucky in that he was an only bird, so I'm of the opinion that Wingnut is most likely fine too.

Karens, I'm sorry about your African Grey

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Karens, I'm sorry about your African Grey

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Thank you, that was many years ago. It's a very stressful thing and I feel for y'all. Which is why we will all be celebrating when we find out he's fine

Yay I'm glad to hear that he is healthy! Morning poops are the... most... interesting... Lilos morning poops are as big as a condors poop! I'm glad to hear that all is well!

Lol! The morning poop! Did it look like a brain? Haha I always tell Kumar he pooped his brains out in the morning

i just wanted to say i have been having the "crappiest" week, and your description of poop made me crack up!

thanks for that, and i am sure if the store owner was willing to take that risk you should be feeling pretty good!

i hope everything keeps looking up for you and your flock!

Got to love that first morning poop, they are massive! My wife and I learned to check the cage before we take our bird out. If there is no poop we don't delay getting him to his play gym.