Help!!!

Guyz i noticed that Luna started to get seizures day before yesterday and also she's not gaining weight she acts normal though i can't take her to vet doc as i have to go to the next city (as we don't have any in our's) and my father is out of country he probably won't be back for months

Ok, the best option is always the vet. But since you already know you can't go

Try to find and eliminate anything that might be causing the seizures. Wash her cage with white vinegar if you can, in case there is something toxic on it. Be sure there are no chemicals in her food, and that no fumes can reach her from paint, cooking, spraying, etc.

Remove perches and toys from her cage, and the grate if you can so that she has a solid surface to sit on (you will have to be extra good about cleaning it though), and so that she won't have extra objects to hurt herself on. Keep her as warm and calm as possible without overheating. Be sure the has access to food and water on the ground.

Try to telephone a vet if you can to get better advice. Good luck, keep us posted.

This is sort of an add on to silver sages post but make sure that there are no aerosol canes like deodorant around her. Also make sure that you don't have her near a place where you are cooking with non stick Teflon panes as when the Teflon gets overheated it produces toxic fumes for birds. One last thing has she flown into any walls lately as she may have some kind of concussion or worse brain damage. Anyway i hope she gets better soon .

btw you should watch her diet and maybe give her straight pellets or seed (whatever she eats), as she could be allergic to something you are feeding her or have a vitamin deficiency.

She haven't flown into any walls and i'll make sure to keep an eye on her diet thanks for your replies

Gyuz i went to the vet doctor with my uncle i told him all about the problem he told me give Luna more fruits and place her cage in sunlight i m doing that but i can see no improvement what should i do istead of showing improvement she seems to loose weight and also her feathers what should i do

They should be doing bloodwork because something is going on.

Also, be sure to keep feeding whatever she is used to eating along with the fruit; that could be why she is losing weight. And sunlight is important but it won't be a quick fix, and if that light is through a window it won't do any good. And is this doctor an AVIAN vet?

Yes he is a vet doctor i kept telling him that he should do her blood test but he said it isn't necessary

namikazekasumi said:

Yes he is a vet doctor i kept telling him that he should do her blood test but he said it isn't necessary

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Any more seizures since your original post? Hope she is doing better!

Is the vet an "avian" specialist, one who has special training to work with birds?

Very curious he did not think a blood test is necessary given the problems she is experiencing. Birds tend to hide their illnesses but a blood panel can often detect problems long before you will be aware.

Seizures are driven by issues of the brain, which present in the body's muscles.

Seizure sources:
Physical - concussion, brain damage, disease
Chemical - toxic items in the air, water, food or surfaces that the parrot comes in contact with, or a chemical imbalance. Both SilverSage and WilliamKenyum provide possible toxic sources that need to be eliminated as possible sources.

NOTE: Water based toxins and/or diseases are a possibility, which may require either filtering or boiling to minimize or eliminate.

As SilverSaga stated, your parrot needs a safe area to assure that Lura does not further harm herself. In addition, SilverSaga recommended that you clean your parrots cage and anything that Lura would commonly come in contact with. The goal here is to limit any 'chemical' (toxic) or disease based drivers in and around her cage.

The reason blood tests have been recommended by Aquila is that key levels of the primary markers provide an indication of the status of the body and whether it is fighting or dealing with disease, chemical imbalance, toxin or trauma. It may not tell what, but will provide an indication.

Not all Vets are comfortable at taking blood from a bird. In addition, what is needed may be in short supply and/or the equipment needed to conduct the test is not available. The fact that the Vet recommended more fruits and sunlight for seizures 'may' indicate that the Vet has little or no experience with birds.

At this point, the reality is that you are pretty much on your own. That does not mean that all is lost, only that you are going to have to be more proactive and education yourself:

Start taking notes that cause the onset of Luna seizures - when it starts, how long, what muscle groups are involved and which are not, when it starts to go away, what do you see that confirms that the seizure is easing. The more you do this the more detail you will have. At some point very quickly, you will become aware of when a seizure is beginning. At that point, you may note specific elements and/or events that increase the likelihood, shortens the seizure, or decease the likelihood of a seizure.

Learn more about seizures using the Internet. First, learn about human based seizures and than move on to parrots. The reason for starting with human based seizures is that it provides you a base to understanding the muscles involved and what part of the brain drives what muscles. This way you can then transfer that understand to your parrot as you research parrot based seizures. Also, humans have been dealing with seizures for long before modern medicine. There is a high likelihood that a family member or someone near your home or in your village has seizures, speak with them or their caregiver about their seizures. Speak about what helps and what does not.

See this as a knowledge base that will not only help Luna but will expand you and drive you to learn more.

Regarding your Vet. Understanding that in North America the availability of medical care, equipment and medication for humans and animals alike is huge, that is not true elsewhere in the world. Therefore, it would be very common for a North America Vet to automatically blood test. However, in areas of world where resources are limited and/or very expensive. Testing a bird that is presenting with seizures could be considered a waste of valuable resources. After all, the medication that would be used to limit or reduce the seizure is likely not available, not available for animals (very limited availability), and/or very expensive. Any or all of the above being true, your Vet should have told you that during your visit.

Unless your parrot did present with a seizure during the Vet visit, a visual examination would likely present a healthy parrot. Not the best medical practice, but...

Regardless, you have a parrot that is presenting with seizures. As stated in my prior post, you will need to learn what you need to do and become your parrots 'caregiver!' Making her life more comfortable will provide you with knowledge that will serve you well for a lifetime.

Yup Luna got two Seizures attack today one at 4:00pm and the other one at 4:30 pm i have washed her cage and and removed toys that would be harmful for her and now she got her third seizure attack at 8:56pm

I called my dad he is a doctor but not a vet doctor i told him the symptoms he said that all the signs show that she have the deficiency of calcium and vitamin d but then again he's not the vet doc

I am so sorry to hear that Luna continues to seize. Is there a remote possibility she ingested a part of a toy (possibly a piece of metal)?

I'm afraid getting to the bottom of this is of the utmost importance - for Luna!

This was linked in another thread here, lists of vets in Pakistan.

Veterinary Doctors in Pakistan
PAKISTAN (Lahore) Furqan Awan - [email protected]

I would try to get in touch with them for a second opinion.