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Old 06-05-2016, 10:51 PM
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I've been going back and forth with a roach problem for about a year now. They seem to come out at night and get on top of my parrots cage cover. I make sure to clean thoroughly yet the roaches come out. I thought about fumigation but I've heard about birds dying after having this done and that scares me. Any thoughts, especially about fumigation? Thank you
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:26 PM
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Re: Extermination

also very interested in this topic. If we remove the birds during treatment, how long until they can safely be brought back in?
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Old 06-06-2016, 12:01 AM
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Re: Extermination

It's okay that you brought up an old thread just as long as you realize it lol! Kidding, info like this is timeless anyway...

This product > Orange Guard http://orangeguard.net is available at select retailers across the US, many places in FL if you look at the website under locations.

It claims to kill roaches. I have used it on house flies and ants, and it works as instantly as a poison does, yet it is non-toxic to pets including birds! Others here have used it too, and that's how I found out about it. It is just orange oil, from orange peel... it can be used around birds and cages. Wipe up residue, it is a bit oily which is the only drawback. It smells pleasant and "orangey" but not overwhelming and strong. Birds are safe - it is not a poison. More pest control companies are starting to use it professionally too, since it is non-toxic and still very effective.
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Old 06-06-2016, 09:08 AM
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Re: Extermination

One of the problems of not providing a general location quickly comes to light in this type of discussion. That is, the best your fellow members can do is provide generalized information. Although, a serious infestation, is a serious infestation. Even at that level, the 'extermination' approach in the Great While North is different than in the upper-tropical regions in North America as would be the process used in the high-desert regions of the West.

Now, once the infestation has been handled, there are also differences in the maintenance practices to limit or greatly eliminate a re-infestation.

Orange oil is truly a great product and I strongly recommend its use.

Having said that, if you have a true infestation problem that requires a complete extermination of the problem. That would require a far more intense treatment. Yes, there are 'pet friendly' products even at that level. However, to treat an infestation with the needed volume, proper treatment methods and locations, and the building's inspection / investigation / repair is best handled by professionals. Even at the professional level, there are major differences between treatment intensity and processes depending on the region the client lives.

At this point, you need to define the level of the 'infestation' that you have and whether it is very minor or you are seeing the tip of a very serious infestation! Per your statement, you have been unsuccessful in treating this problem for over a year. Based on you location (see the problem) it is either a common event or very unusual.
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Re: Extermination

we have silverfish and moth larvae...and possibly termites. We live in Southern CA. Tenting is not an option for us. Our home has not been treated in 10 years. Ideally I'd like to get it done this week before the bird arrives but that may not be possible with my work schedule.
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Re: Extermination

First, thank-you for including your location when you joined.

The 'bug' problem that you have are rarely treated by tenting. The majority is related to moisture problems in and around your home.

Ten years is about the outer limits for treating the soil around and in your home for Termites. You are ready for a retreatment. The inspection part, which you can also pre- participate and should do on a regular bases is to walk around your home and eliminate any places in which wood parts of your structure comes in contact with the soil. The want is that wood sits several inches above the soil. If that is impossible, pull the soil back and use treated lumber and/or bug and moisture sealer(s) on the lumber. Treat multiple times to create a barrier. In addition to sealing against termites and other soil based 'bugs' target having water flow away from your home. In addition, to the 'sealants' this also allows the soil to dry, which will in and of itself reduces the presents of many soil based 'bugs' at the side of your home. While you are inspecting look closely for Ants.

Silverfish are very commonly connected to moisture sources created by leaking water sources in your home, thus creating moist areas. Add, general darkness and you have created the area that they love. You can treat for Silverfish, but until you halt the water leakage source, its only a very short term fix. This can also be something you can do in the advance of the professionals coming, and like above, should be a common part of a home owners self inspection. Determine where you are seeing the Silverfish most often, now check all water sources near this area. That includes all incoming and outgoing water sources. Example: Any sink, two supply sources (hot and cold) one drain pipe. Check inside cabinets and under those areas. NOTE: Silverfish are an indication that a leak is cause rot in your wood structure and that will seriously weaken it. Find and eliminating the water sources will save you thousands in repair later.

Moths are present around a food source, which is not being protected or clean properly. Not to be mean, BUT - moths are most commonly a house keeping issue. With parrots, their dry food is a major source. ALL dry foods for your parrots should (MUST) be kept frozen to eliminate moths. Freeze new purchases for at least 30 days prior to use and only bring out what is needed for the next couple of days. A complete home cleaning from the upper most regions to the deepest regions also helps for non food based moths and other 'bugs' that source from general house keeping and/or poor storage systems. In general, get rid of the stuff or store it properly. Any stored item that can trap even light amounts of moisture can become a haven for 'bugs.'

When you have completed your efforts, you are now faced with 'crazy cleaning' everything! Yes, everything!

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Re: Extermination

Did the orange thing already being that I read the "old thread" and if you do extensive research on orange guard you'll realize that it not as safe as what you made it out to be. I never spray it in the same room my bird is in....ever!
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Re: Extermination

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Re: Extermination

Interesting, I was not aware of it being available in a 'lite' fine spray version, only in a misted (droplet) version. Yes, I guess one could rapidly depress the pump multiple times and with effort create a fine spray. Although, its been several years since I used that product, I do not recall the direction recommended spraying finely and high into the air, but in misting (droplet) form, down and at at specific areas in which the 'bugs' are traveling / entering. I also, do not recall the direction recommending misting the actual pet active surfaces. But like I said, its been several years.

Clearly a 'maintenance' application is not solving your problem. That implies than you likely have a much larger problem that you are willing to admit or know about. Since, you have read though the other Threads regarding this subject. You may have come across a recent one that stated that if you are seeing few, you likely have hundreds.

As you so clearly stated, this subject has run before. In fact a couple of times, in just the past six or so months. The subject has been well covered in the past and again here. At the end of the day, you have a problem and solving it appears to be a couple of steps above your DIY skills. Time to contact a professional?

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Re: Extermination

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Did the orange thing already being that I read the "old thread" and if you do extensive research on orange guard you'll realize that it not as safe as what you made it out to be. I never spray it in the same room my bird is in....ever!
If I had remembered you were the one who posed this "same old" question before in October, yet failed to get the answers you wanted, I wouldn't have bothered posting on your thread this time. I am sorry!

I don't agree with you. I have used it, so have some other top members of this forum who are exemplary bird parents. This is one of the methods professionals use for bird safe exterminating.

I hope you don't use OTC meds either like Tylenol, Advil, Aleve, etc. or cold and flu meds, or even some prescribed drugs, as there is a risk of kidney and liver damage, and ulcers. Just saying.
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