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Old 08-08-2017, 04:18 PM
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Fully agree with the above! Again, Thank-You!

FYI: There is a reason that cook tops, regardless of whether it is Gas or Electric has very different size heat surfaces. They are designed to provide better temperature control and directing heat to the 'pan' based on the size of the pan. Long story short (and simple) a large 'pan' sets on one of the larger heat surfaces and a small 'pan' sets on the smaller heat surface. By simply following this recommendation, burning items are greatly reduced. Add, not cooking beyond medium temperature will also greatly help!

And as stated many times: Multi-Tasking is not allowed in a Kitchen!
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Is copper cookware ok to use around our birds? I have a set that I would love to use if its safe.

Thanks to all the info here, I have gotten rid of all cookware and replaced it with stainless, but thought I would check on the copper stuff too.
Sorry I'm just seeing this, but yes, copper cookware is safe for use around birds.
Hello! Thanks for the great info everyone! I do have a question- there's those frying pans that are "copper" that heavily promote the non-stick aspect of the products. Some brands I've seen, Copper Chef, Red Copper, etc. Are those the types of copper cookware that you are referring to, or another type? Thanks again!
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Old 09-21-2017, 04:26 AM
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

as far as I can tell pure copper is the one meant.

Saying that I'm suspicious of all cookware unless it states it's PTFE/PFOA free

the ones that truly are advertise it often as it's healthier to not have those fumes and who in 2017 won't pay extra for a healthier product? Always double check packaging, if you're not certain just leave it
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Hello! Thanks for the great info everyone! I do have a question- there's those frying pans that are "copper" that heavily promote the non-stick aspect of the products. Some brands I've seen, Copper Chef, Red Copper, etc. Are those the types of copper cookware that you are referring to, or another type? Thanks again!
The copper cookware safe for birds is actual copper, traditionally it is tin-lined, though in recent years some brands have started introducing stainless lined copper cookware which is far more durable than tin. So the kind safe for birds would be a real copper exterior, silver-color interior. Real copper oxidizes and corrodes when it comes in contact with acidic foods like tomatoes, making it necessary to line in a non-reactive metal so you won't really see copper interior pans made of real copper (that's your big tell if it's actual copper or just copper color inside!). It is also prohibitively expensive. It is not particularly non-stick, it is better known for it's thermal conductivity properties and typically favored by serious cooks. Triply clad stainless with aluminum core provides more than adequate thermal reactivity for the average home cook and more affordable than copper, though some people who are wealthy buy copper just because it's pretty and they can. For reference, this is an example of the kind of copper cookware that is safe for parrots (not so safe for the human wallet though):
https://www.williams-sonoma.com/prod...=PRODUCTSEARCH

The cookware you're referring to is likely aluminum cookware with a copper color coating inside and possibly some other color enamel outside. I am unsure if that stuff is safe for parrots, though I do look suspiciously at any new coating (even the PFOA/PTFE free ones) for bird homes. No one knew the dangers of teflon when it first hit the market either, whats to say these new coatings will be any safer? If you want safe cookware, get stainless. If you love cooking and are willing to spend a bit more, get try-ply stainless. Learn to cook with it using the proper techniques and you won't have sticking issues anyways

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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Hello! Thanks for the great info everyone! I do have a question- there's those frying pans that are "copper" that heavily promote the non-stick aspect of the products. Some brands I've seen, Copper Chef, Red Copper, etc. Are those the types of copper cookware that you are referring to, or another type? Thanks again!
The copper cookware safe for birds is actual copper, traditionally it is tin-lined, though in recent years some brands have started introducing stainless lined copper cookware which is far more durable than tin. So the kind safe for birds would be a real copper exterior, silver-color interior. Real copper oxidizes and corrodes when it comes in contact with acidic foods like tomatoes, making it necessary to line in a non-reactive metal so you won't really see copper interior pans made of real copper (that's your big tell if it's actual copper or just copper color inside!). It is also prohibitively expensive. It is not particularly non-stick, it is better known for it's thermal conductivity properties and typically favored by serious cooks. Triply clad stainless with aluminum core provides more than adequate thermal reactivity for the average home cook and more affordable than copper, though some people who are wealthy buy copper just because it's pretty and they can. For reference, this is an example of the kind of copper cookware that is safe for parrots (not so safe for the human wallet though):
https://www.williams-sonoma.com/prod...=PRODUCTSEARCH

The cookware you're referring to is likely aluminum cookware with a copper color coating inside and possibly some other color enamel outside. I am unsure if that stuff is safe for parrots, though I do look suspiciously at any new coating (even the PFOA/PTFE free ones) for bird homes. No one knew the dangers of teflon when it first hit the market either, whats to say these new coatings will be any safer? If you want safe cookware, get stainless. If you love cooking and are willing to spend a bit more, get try-ply stainless. Learn to cook with it using the proper techniques and you won't have sticking issues anyways
Hmm yes I think I'll stay away from that level of cookware! that set there is 3 months rent for me and my place isn't considered cheap.

I went for the ceramic coated sets but made specially sure that they were free of the known chemicals. There was a stone set I saw but they weren't clear so I stuck away. Even then I still use oil to cook with despite their claims you don't need to just in case they release something when heated

let's be fair though the healthiest cooking method you can go for would be using au-natural materials instead of processed stuff like we use nowadays
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Hmm yes I think I'll stay away from that level of cookware! that set there is 3 months rent for me and my place isn't considered cheap.

I went for the ceramic coated sets but made specially sure that they were free of the known chemicals. There was a stone set I saw but they weren't clear so I stuck away. Even then I still use oil to cook with despite their claims you don't need to just in case they release something when heated

let's be fair though the healthiest cooking method you can go for would be using au-natural materials instead of processed stuff like we use nowadays
We had traditional enamel on steel cookware for a long time (similar to the new ceramic coatings), but it eventually got scratched up. I replaced a few years back with a mid-range set of tri-ply stainless and haven't looked back! It was a couple hundred bucks, but I expect this set of cookware to last for basically ever. I did so much research on cookware, I basically have a PhD in the subject

Speaking of au-natural cookware, have you seen the solid ceramic cookware (not ceramic coated)? I question my ability to not break it, but it is supposedly the most natural option available and while pricey, it's not out of this world pricey:

https://www.ceramcor.com/cookware/15...-cookware-set/
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Hmm yes I think I'll stay away from that level of cookware! that set there is 3 months rent for me and my place isn't considered cheap.

I went for the ceramic coated sets but made specially sure that they were free of the known chemicals. There was a stone set I saw but they weren't clear so I stuck away. Even then I still use oil to cook with despite their claims you don't need to just in case they release something when heated

let's be fair though the healthiest cooking method you can go for would be using au-natural materials instead of processed stuff like we use nowadays
We had traditional enamel on steel cookware for a long time (similar to the new ceramic coatings), but it eventually got scratched up. I replaced a few years back with a mid-range set of tri-ply stainless and haven't looked back! It was a couple hundred bucks, but I expect this set of cookware to last for basically ever. I did so much research on cookware, I basically have a PhD in the subject

Speaking of au-natural cookware, have you seen the solid ceramic cookware (not ceramic coated)? I question my ability to not break it, but it is supposedly the most natural option available and while pricey, it's not out of this world pricey:

https://www.ceramcor.com/cookware/15...-cookware-set/
That's the kind of set I'd like to get. Like you I would question my ability to not break it but to be honest the cost of that isn't much different than what my ceramic coated set cost! Over here there's little brands that make PTFE free cookware. One of the pans I saw that I nearly bought cost £100 alone!
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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For reference, this is an example of the kind of copper cookware that is safe for parrots (not so safe for the human wallet though):
https://www.williams-sonoma.com/prod...=PRODUCTSEARCH
Good Lawdy! I think my wallet is crying just from looking at that. lol

Thanks again everyone for the info!
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That's the kind of set I'd like to get. Like you I would question my ability to not break it but to be honest the cost of that isn't much different than what my ceramic coated set cost! Over here there's little brands that make PTFE free cookware. One of the pans I saw that I nearly bought cost £100 alone!
I've been thinking of asking hubby for one of their kettles for Christmas, since it wouldn't get quite the abuse a pot or pan would and I just love the retro coffee pot style ones they offer

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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

I have a question as I understand the dangers associated with PTFE coatings but I haven' seen this discussed yet.
If food is cooked in a non stick coated pan in another house, would that food be considered "contaminated" and unsafe for a bird? Can the toxins released by the coatings be absorbed into the food?
I would rather play it safe and avoid that scenario, but I am curious, lets say, some veggies cooked up by a relative (plain and no spices) in a coated pan and given to us for consumption. Could that be harmful to our feathered friends?

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