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Old 07-19-2018, 02:41 PM
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

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Thank you, Do you have a preference for the pyrex versus the unglazed stoneware for cooking or baking? I tend to bake a lot and that's why I was leaning against the pyrex (I've heard glass isn't as good for baking), but it sounds like this board has a lot of Pyrex fans, and the price is certainly reasonable


Iíve been baking with Pyrex forever and I love it. Iíve never had a single problem. The stoneware is new to me and I only have baking tray style (like cookie sheets) since itís hard to get a decent metal cookie sheet that isnít nonstick. And because they were gifts. I LOVE them, nothing sticks to them, and theyíre very easy to clean, but I canít reconcile myself to the price difference for anything else. My new Pyrex 9x13 was around $15, the Pampered Chef 9x13 is $42 plus shipping.


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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

This is a brilliant thread thank you so much for the information. I am a newbie Green Cheek Conure owner and I am about to order stainless steel saucepans but before I do this would you happen to know if Tefal Cookware is safe they say on the website that

"Tefal was one of the first manufacturers to eliminate PFOA from its non-stick coatings over a decade ago. Tefal non-stick coated cookware products are subject to very regular analyses carried out by independent laboratories under the strictest methodologies. These checks have systematically established the absence of PFOA in Tefal utensils"

I do have Tefal pots and pans so before I give then away I wanted to check.

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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Hmm....Where did you see that they removed PTFOA from their coatings? When I researched, I concluded that Tefal was not safe and I threw all of mine away. I was under the impression that it did contain Teflon/ptfe/ptfoa...They definitely have some sort of black/grey coating that scratches and flakes over time, and research aside, it looks and acts just like other Teflon products that I have owned in the past (pre-bird).


Is it possible that they are PTFOA free but still contain PTFE?

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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Please forgive my ignorance but I can't seem to find a definitive answer. Are non stick pans automatically dangerous or only over a certain temperature?
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Hi MikeMooch, I think the answer to your question in theory is debatable. I have seen both opinions spelled out, and I'm sorry I can't provide specifics. However, I just don't think in practice it's safe to use non-stick coatings with birds in the home, since realistically most people at some point are going to overheat the pan. I was convinced I would never do that (but threw out my non-stick anyway when I got my guy) but I can tell you I overheated a pan 3 times in the last year! If you want suggestions on what to buy, I'm sure many people can help you. I bought a great, inexpensive saute pan (cast iron with ceramic coating) that doubles as a frying pan and dutch oven for me. I called the company and they confirmed it was bird safe (no PFOA, PTFE, teflon) at below the recommended temperature (which is much higher than I've ever used!): https://www.amazon.com/Crock-112011-...r=8-1-fkmrnull
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Ceramic non-stick pans are not dangerous, but in-general they are the ONLY type of non-stick pots and pans that are safe for birds, because all other types of non-stick pots and pans have a non-stick coating that contains either one of the Perfluorinated-Compounds (PFOA, PTFE, etc.) or they contain Teflon, which is just a name-brand of non-stick coating that contains them. So if you want to have non-stick pots and pans, then you just need to make sure that you buy a set of Ceramic non-stick pans that state they are free of Perflourinated Compounds and Teflon (most all of them are)...

****You are absolutely playing with fire if you make the decision to cook with non-stick pans that are not Ceramic non-stick pans and that contain any of the Perflourinated-Compounds/Teflon...Yes, they have to reach a certain temperature for the non-stick coatings to "Off-Gas" into the air, but the problem is that they all seem to have a totally different temperature point where that happens, and there is absolutely no way to know what it is, and there is absolutely no way to know when it's happened...And if it's already happened, then your birds are most likely already dead or dying. If your birds breathe-in literally one little whiff of the off-gassed fumes it is pretty much 100% fatal, and there's not a thing you can do to help them after it's happened, they will die within a matter of seconds or minutes. So obviously you just cannot use them to cook with...And this includes all the small kitchen appliances too, like ALL GEORGE FOREMAN GRILLS, and then regular toasters, toaster ovens, convection ovens, air fryers, electric griddles and regular griddles you set on the stove, coffee makers, microwaves, etc. You always need to call the manufacturer and ask them before you buy any small appliances...And if you don't like to use Cast Iron, Stainless Steel, or real Copper pots and pans, then you just need to buy a set of Ceramic non-stick ones that are safe...
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Thanks for all that clarification Ellen! Can we also add irons (and/or ironing boards?) and even some lightbulbs to that list? I was on the phone with GE before I bought lightbulbs for my home. They knew which ones had a coating.
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

It's our fault for not coming across this info sooner. We got married last summer & literally every pot, pan, & small appliance is brand new & of course non stick. This is going to take some serious salesmanship on my part to convince my wife to buy all new stuff. I guess it's a small price to pay. We haven't taken our little caique home yet so no birds have been harmed.
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Also, I don't have a lot of info on this but I have read somewhere that people were speculating whether Green Pan (ceramic coated cookware) is actually safe to use. Maybe someone else can chime in but I decided to stay away from it for that reason
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Re: PTFE's, PFOA's, Silicon, and Ceramic Cook/Bakeware

Yeah, sorry to hear! I can tell you I only used non-stick before I got the bird. The adjustment was not too hard. The ceramic coated cast iron doesn't need to be seasoned. I also bought 1 good quality stainless steel pot for making sticky oatmeal, and it has not been a problem at all to use. To clean it, I scrub it with baking soda to get out stuck food before washing. Easy. For bakeware, you can use glass or if you are interested in enamel coated cookware, I got some very good, inexpensive ones I can send a link to. With a little oil sprayed on beforehand, it's pretty non-stick and over time becomes more so. I do have one set of good quality stainless steel baking sheets for grilling veggies, cookies, etc
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