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Old 01-01-2017, 02:51 PM
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I do know that the Alexandrines and their relatives have some pretty quirky mating/displaying/swagging moves!
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Re: Lunging at nothing?

I haven't actually confirmed mites/lice but just going to use a little spray just in case.
I doubt it's mating move she's not even 4 months old but possibly could be a move of some kind who know's.. at this point i'm gonna call it an unsolved mystery (unless it completely stops after i spray her)
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Re: Lunging at nothing?

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I haven't actually confirmed mites/lice but just going to use a little spray just in case.
I doubt it's mating move she's not even 4 months old but possibly could be a move of some kind who know's.. at this point i'm gonna call it an unsolved mystery (unless it completely stops after i spray her)
Just an FYI regarding spraying (Misting): I'm not in favor of creating a large ball of Mist around my Amazon. I mist by targeting specific areas taking care not to soak any specific area. I quickly move away from that area to assure that neither the Amazon or myself is breathing in the mist ball. So, I have my Amazon on one hand and Mist with the other and just move away right after the pump of the mist bottle. But that is just me!
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Re: Lunging at nothing?

Yeh that make's sense it actually say's not to use in confined area's. I would love to target under the wings but she rarely open's them or let's me, gonna do couple sprays underside tail tummy/vent area and back maybe a couple drops on my finger and rub ontop of her head, bottle says to use 40cm away but woudn't that be harder to target area's and not get on face, thinking of going close and use lightly

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Re: Lunging at nothing?

I was not familiar with the brand name Avitrol, so I googled it and it's just another pesticide (listed this time for wing mites and lice) that is supposedly"organic" and "natural" because it's main ingredient is Pyrethrin, and even though the Pyrethrin in this stuff is synthetic and made in a lab, it does occur naturally in chrysanthemums, so they call it "organic". The problem is that in most pesticide formulations for animals, birds, reptiles, and plants they combine the Pyrethrin with Piperonyl Butoxide, which keeps the insects from forming resistance to the Pyrethrin. The combo of the two chemicals can be deadly, so you must be very, very careful to use this sparingly and avoid spraying it near your bird's eyes, beak, ears, vent, and places that your bird can preen with his beak. Use very, very little, and if you spray your bird while he is still in his cage make sure to remove any food and water before spraying. If this stuff is ingested it is toxic.

I don't use any synthetic pesticides on my pets or myself, only 100% natural, non-toxic pesticides, even on my dogs for flea and tick prevention. I don't know if you're aware of the massive class-action suits against all of the cheaper flea and tick treatment brands that you can buy in grocery stores, Walmart, Target, etc., but many, many, many cats and dogs have died from the use of any of these cheaper brand's treatments for fleas and ticks, and this includes Hartz, Seargants, Pet Armor, Sentinel, Sentry, Advantage, etc., and it's all of the products like spot treatments, shampoo, flea collars, powders, sprays, etc. All of these formulations contain the same combo of chemicals as this Avitrol you're using on your bird, Pyrethrin and Piperonyl Butoxide. Two summers ago I bought a plant pesticide that contained these two chemicals after trying everything natural to get rid of a mealy bug worm infestation in my succulent rock garden (it's a huge succulent collection of cold-hardy plants that come back after a below-zero, snowy winter; they are expensive plants). I ended up getting horribly sick the night after I used the pesticide, vomiting and breathing issues. I must have ingested the spray somehow, though it wasn't much, it couldn't have been much, just a bit of spray blow back in the wind...Anyway, I ended up in the hospital overnight and had to have my stomach filled with activated charcoal and my eyes constantly flushed...It sucked. I also had to wash all of my plants off and basically flooded my back yard, I was afraid my dogs would be poisoned.

It took a long time and many trials but I finally found a completely natural flea and tick treatment line for my dogs that works as well as any of the expensive prescription poisons available. It's a brand called Natural Care +, and I use the monthly spot treatments and the shampoo if I actually see a flea or a tick on my dogs. It's only ingredients are clove oil (which is what it smells like, it's very nice), cinnamon oil, and thyme oil. My Australian Cattle Dog actually had a huge tick on her belly last month because I stopped their spot treatments too early. It was engorged and I couldn't get it off for anything. I tried a match, vasoline, a tick puller/card, everything, but he wouldn't let go. Finally I took a bit of this shampoo and covered the tick's body with it and it immediately fell out onto the floor dead...

Anyway, just be careful putting that poison on your bird, it will stick to his feathers and he will no doubt preen it off...I don't know what he is doing, whether it is a parasite he's reacting to or not, but if it does help him then you'll know. Just watch for any lethargy, vomiting, diarrhea, twitching, shaking, seizure activity, muscle spasms, etc. because these are all signs of toxicity to the pesticide.

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Re: Lunging at nothing?

Just so you know, thyme oil/crystals also very bad. The crystals used to be commonly employed by conservators to kill mold in books and paper. You would seal them up in a chamber with the crystals for a while. Turned out that the stuff is carcinogenic, so it's no longer used. Like anything, it's all about the dose, water will kill you if injested in suffienct quantity. Birds are so sensitive...

Off topic, but I found a bunch of videos one day about removing ticks by rubbing them in circles, and the one time I tried it it actually worked! I think the motion gradually works the barbs out of the skin by stretching the skin while moving the tick. But it's hard to be logical when you have a TICK GROSS GET IT OFF ME NOW ARGHHH sorry it's a thing with me.
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