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Old 09-29-2018, 11:08 AM
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Awe, poor Gracie...Yes, the Milk Thistle is a wonder-medicine for not only liver-detox, but for actually treating Fatty Liver Disease, as well as "Liver Diseases" in-general. It encourages actual liver-regeneration, and it is one of the "natural" supplements that really does work miracles for the livers of birds, reptiles, dogs, cats, rodents, and yes, people.

As for the Vitamin D, that could be for skin/feathers, but if Gracie is underweight, which probably indicates that she's also malnourished and is most-likely suffering from some nutritional deficiencies, then the Vitamin D mix is most-likely being given to her to encourage the digestion/processing/absorption of other important vitamins/minerals, such as Calcium and Phosphorous, as well as improving immune-system function in a bird who is suffering any nutritional deficiencies. So based on Gracie just being underweight, the treatments that your CAV has chosen of both Milk Thistle and a Vitamin D complex are fantastic, efficient, and safe choices, and will most-likely result in Gracie's appetite, weight, energy levels, and overall-health all increasing very quickly...Now to just get them in her without you losing your hands...

***Yes, putting the liquid Milk Thistle and the Vitamin D complex in fruit juice, oatmeal, grits, bread, pudding, or any other solid foods or drinks that Gracie loves the most usually will work. I myself use orange juice, as they absolutely love it and ONLY GET IT when they have to take medicine, as obviously you should not feed birds any type of Citrus Fruit or Citrus Fruit Juice, due to it's promotion of the absorption of Iron they ingest in their food, which quickly leads to Iron Storage Syndrome/Iron Toxicity. So they ONLY get their favorite, Orange Juice, when they have to take a yucky, liquid medicine. ****And Orange Juice covers nasty medication-taste, especially if it's bitter, better than anything else due to it's acidity and sourness...So if you haven't tried Orange-Juice, I'd give it a shot, as they usually love it, it's something they typically never get, and it covers-up bad flavors very well...

***That said, if even the Orange Juice doesn't work, and nothing else works, then you're in luck, as both Milk Thistle and the Vitamin D complex are available in Powder Formulation, or at least Tablet Formulation!!! Since Gracie is only getting .2ml total, that equates to an extremely small amount of powder, even with fillers from the tablets...So if you're still having issues with getting Gracie to drink the liquid-formulation of the supplements, it's not worth "ruining your relationship with her", that breaks my heart for you, you're such a good daddy...So simply talk to your CAV and tell them that you'd like to try to give Gracie both the Milk Thistle and the Vitamin D complex in powder form, or at least in a tablet form that can be easily crushed and measured-out to the correct doses (also will most-likely be much cheaper than the liquid form too)...Then all you have to do is sprinkle the powder-formulation of the 2 supplements right onto either Gracie's regular, daily pellets or seed-mix, or her regular veggies, or her regular fruit, etc. The powder-formulations don't taste anything like the liquid-formulations do, in-fact they typically don't have any "taste" or flavor at all, and Gracie probably won't even notice that it's sprinkled on top of her food...
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

Hej Dave, how is your beautiful Gracie going? Any news on those tests you were having done? Hope she is on the mend!
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Hej Dave, how is your beautiful Gracie going? Any news on those tests you were having done? Hope she is on the mend!
No problem now getting the meds down. A big THANKS again to everyone.

Her Majesty seems to have mostly forgiven her subject for his stupidity. So it would seem that I'm not going to be banished to the dungeon after all. Well at least not this time.

No word on additional tests yet. This place requires my vet to send a referral I can't make the appointment on my own. He hasn't let me know but I'm sure he has her best interest at heart.

She hasn't gained any weight but her weight is more stable. She has been at 502 for three straight days. I consider that a good sign.

Thank You for asking.
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

Thank you for the update and it’s great your relationship is on the improve too. I’ve had to medicate a budgie and a cockatiel by syringe before and I certainly wouldn’t want to do it with anything bigger! All the suggestions about what to mix it with were great and I shall be storing them in my memory banks for future use!

Keep us posted if/when the other results come back won’t you
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

I'm glad you and Gracie have come to an understanding, lol...

Milk Thistle is an amazing supplement/natural medicine, and it's been proven through controlled-studies that it does actually not only cleanse/detox the liver in most-all living creatures, but it also encourages the regeneration of healthy liver tissue. It's amazing stuff, and it has few, if any side-effects. I know many bird and Bearded Dragon owners who give it to their pets every single day, and it's actually turned their health around 180 degrees. Many Bearded Dragons unfortunately suffer from issues with their Uric Acid levels, and the end-result is usually a life-long diagnosis of Gout, where the Dragon must take Allopurinol every day for the rest of their lives. And as a result, the health of both their kidneys and their livers suffers and ultimately fails. The other issue with many species of reptiles is that people feed them horrible diets, as many refuse to feed live insects, or they only feed very fatty live insects, such as Wax Worms, ButterWorms, Mealworms, etc. And in both of these situations, simply putting the reptile on a daily dose of Milk-Thistle does wonders for their liver health, and their over-all nutritional health as well. So hopefully Gracie will continue to not only increase, but eventually normalize and become constant, after being on both the Milk Thistle and the Vitamin D complex for a few months...
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

How is Gracie? Any more testing done? I'm glad the milk thistle is working, where do you get that?
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

It worked for mine....I was shocked..especially after a non- CAV (family friend who is a vet) shook his head at me when I asked about it for a dog who was having liver issues...GUESS WHO HAS A SUCCESS STORY WITH HER BIRD YOU NON-CAV! lol
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

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How is Gracie? Any more testing done? I'm glad the milk thistle is working, where do you get that?

I appreciate you asking about her.

Gracie seems to be doing good. Energy is up and she's gaining weight(fingers crossed). Her Highness has apparently forgiven her subject in full for lousy medicating. She looks forward to her mashed potatoes and meds now and will take them from a spoon or from her pellet cup.

No news about the other test yet. The doc acted like it would take sometime to get a referral.

She is on a mixture of Hepasil and Biomega cooked up by the doc. Hepasil is mostly milk thistle extract and Biomega is mostly fish oils and vitamin D. At least that is what I have been led to believe.

Milk thistle extract is available where supplements are sold and Amazon has it. Be sure and get the liquid or at least that's my opinion.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Laurasea View Post
How is Gracie? Any more testing done? I'm glad the milk thistle is working, where do you get that?

I appreciate you asking about her.

Gracie seems to be doing good. Energy is up and she's gaining weight(fingers crossed). Her Highness has apparently forgiven her subject in full for lousy medicating. She looks forward to her mashed potatoes and meds now and will take them from a spoon or from her pellet cup.

No news about the other test yet. The doc acted like it would take sometime to get a referral.

She is on a mixture of Hepasil and Biomega cooked up by the doc. Hepasil is mostly milk thistle extract and Biomega is mostly fish oils and vitamin D. At least that is what I have been led to believe.

Milk thistle extract is available where supplements are sold and Amazon has it. Be sure and get the liquid or at least that's my opinion.

Thank you again

Alcohol free is also important, as tinctures often are suspended in alcohol!
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Re: Giving oral medications HELP

Noodles, thank you that is an excellent point about the alcohol.
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