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Aratingettar 02-10-2019 03:12 PM

Lovie with a foot cramp
Last week I've had an issue with one of my Lovies (1.5yo Female): Fiona's left foot (fingers) is cramped (squeezed). Seems like her finger muscles are tight and are preventing from straigtening her fingers.
I've took her to the Vet, and she gave her Steroids shot and an anti-biotic shot. I was instructed to keep giving her the antibiotic (Enrofloxacin), together with the pro-biotic and supplementary vitamins (most important Vitamin B).
She's rather active, seems to eat and drink normally. But I can clearly see she's struggling with her foot control.
I'm also doing her a "foot massage" few times a day.
Anyone experienced similar problem? What more can I do? Or just should I follow the Vet's intstructions?

One important note: she was brought slightly "imperfect" with a wrongly positioned leg and one of her fingers (birth-defect); but she did not displayed such pronounced "control-issues"

noodles123 02-10-2019 03:53 PM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
Has she been tested for PDD and PBFD?
Vitamin deficiencies or over-doses can also cause this.

Aratingettar 02-10-2019 04:13 PM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
No, she's not been tested against PDD/PBFD. But also no record of PFF/PBFD at her breeder - we're in constant touch. Her feathers and beak seem normal, the Vet also did not noticed anything unusual with these.

noodles123 02-10-2019 04:24 PM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
It could be any number of things----Have you had a CBC performed (blood test)?
PDD and PBFD can have neurological impacts with few (if any) symptoms in mildly effected birds (especially early on). Birds can spread it without symptom and it can take upwards of 8 years before symptoms show (if they do). Not saying your bird has it, but lack of symptoms isn't enough to say he/she doesn't. The thing is, people don't usually test without symptoms, and that is how it spreads (infected birds who carry these viruses asymptomatically).

The reason I mentioned those was because they tend to have neurological side-effects.

Is it possible that she injured her foot somehow?
Arthritis is another issue for some birds...

I'm no vet (obviously)- so if you can get her to one, that would be my suggestion.

GaleriaGila 02-10-2019 04:31 PM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
Wow, I never heard of something similar. I know you're in Poland so you'd have no use for my usual USA/Canada avian vet lists...

I did find this Poland list, in case you'd like a second opinion, maybe?

Ines Daszkowska
Michał Gruss
Piotr N. Marcin
Karolina Ptak
Karolina Siedlecka
Adrianna Skarbek
Peter Wencel
Lublin Region

I found this here...

Aratingettar 02-11-2019 03:06 AM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
I've already looked up the list before, unfortunately only Ines Daszkowska does work as a Vet in Poland but she's some 350km away from me and currently she's not accepting new patients (temporarily). There are other names from my region, but one of them is working in the UK and the other one is currently just training (practicing).
The Vet I've visited has a good reputation, and since there are no other bird-specializing Vets around it's really hard to get a second opinion... And now after noodles123 mentioned about those viral diseases I'm really scared..

ChristaNL 02-11-2019 04:05 AM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
Fun fact about birds legs you may use to help her 'uncramp'.

Birds toes (or fingers if you want) will automatically curl tight when the leg bends -> the tendons have this pully-system ging that if bird hunkers down for the night the toes grab the perch and cannot accidentally let go if they fall asleep.

So help your bird to (gently!!!!) straighten the leg -> that will autonaltically loosen up the clenched foot (+ toes)

* foot towards the belly, fold the leg -> curl up / increases tendon tension
* foot away from the bird, semi-straightens the leg -> uncurls toes/ decreases tendon tension

Aratingettar 02-11-2019 04:38 AM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
Thank you Christa! Indeed when I massage her foot, she straightens the leg and releases the toes (stupid me with the "fingers" it's toes obviously).

ChristaNL 02-11-2019 04:55 AM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
No worries, I have had humans coming in, complaining about hurt fingers because of an accident, and there we all sat staring at all those perfect digits, untill the individual removed his shoe...
and since parrots use their feet almost as much as a hand as they do as a foot... it makes sense.

Maybe inch up a bit and massage the leg as well?

EllenD 02-11-2019 08:34 AM

Re: Lovie with a foot cramp
Has she ever had an X-Ray done? It doesn't sound like an infection, it does sound like a Tendon issue, but it could potentially be an inflammation of the Tendon(s) in her lower leg that control that flexion of her foot...Tendons all have a sheath around them that hold them together, and they very often become swollen, either from infection or from overuse or being used in a "wrong way", and this will cause the Tendons inside to either be squeezed and compressed (as in Carpal Tunnel Syndrome in the wrist), or it can cause the Tendons themselves to become inflamed and/or infected, causing a constant contraction of the muscles they control. A regular X-Ray would show this issue, and then the Vet would know what to do, which typically is a prescription (long-term) of a strong anti-inflammatory medication and/or an antibiotic with the correct spectrum to treat the common bacteria that cause these types of infection, such as the Cephz antibiotics (Enrofloxacin is not going to treat these types of bacteria).

I would suspect that if you are able to at the very least get a Vet to prescribe her a strong prescription anti-inflammatory medication, it will start to resolve the issue slowly after only a couple days to a week of daily use.

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