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Old 04-14-2019, 08:15 AM
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

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Scott I am not sure how to replay but will replay under you for all in this group...I am still have some questions and maybe someone can help:

Hope this is not stupid question. Since Coco was my first bird, yes, please don't judge me. I have not get over yet because I am still trying to to understand what happened.

When you buy bird, do the company need to provide Delta with healthy certificate from veterinary from PA to TX?
Would this form be on my forms too?
I saw this on the Delta form: African Grey D10*15*15IN*1 - would this be the info the suppose the be in Coco's band? His band was blank.
Delta requires tag information with health certificate. Scroll down a bit, just past Health Requirements: https://www.delta.com/us/en/pet-trav...pping-your-pet

Wonder if your case is stronger because the bird shipped differed from the one pictured. Unless you agreed to this, seems like bait and switch.
Delta's health certificates are pretty weak though---My bird has flown with them and they didn't require much to "prove" that the bird was healthy (excluding a statement of health). I know for a fact that they didn't require PDD, PBFD, or Pssitacosis testing...With so many exotics vets willing to go off of visual inspection alone, I am sure there are many who would vouch for a bird's health without requiring extensive testing. Noodles had never had a CBC when she flew with them either.

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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

what about the form: Live Animal Acceptance and transfer checklist for Delta and shows: Live Animal Acknowledgement and certification .... what it is mean when someone signed and give it to Delta? Because it clear shows I hereby certify that I have complied with all IATA Live Animal Regulations, USDA/APHIS. US Fish and Wildlife, etc...would this mean the person who signed and certify would have to provide something proof the bird identity? Like his Age, Sex, healthy, etc? If so, would Delta has this form?
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Pretty sure Texas has some of the most lax laws regarding animals in the entire country. The airline probably doesn’t fill out more paperwork than required by the state the bird is flying to. If you want to know if they have a specific form on file, you really have to contact them. No one here is a representative for Delta who can access their records to tell you if they have some kind of forms or information about the birds health before flying...

I still think, due to the infectious nature of this disease, that you need to report this to government authorities. I get you want your money back, but this is a far more serious issue. If this operation is shipping birds with a fatal, highly infectious disease all over the country, they need to be investigated and in all likelihood, shut down. This kind of scenario is a crisis waiting to happen in wild bird populations here in the US.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

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Pretty sure Texas has some of the most lax laws regarding animals in the entire country. The airline probably doesn’t fill out more paperwork than required by the state the bird is flying to. If you want to know if they have a specific form on file, you really have to contact them. No one here is a representative for Delta who can access their records to tell you if they have some kind of forms or information about the birds health before flying...

I still think, due to the infectious nature of this disease, that you need to report this to government authorities. I get you want your money back, but this is a far more serious issue. If this operation is shipping birds with a fatal, highly infectious disease all over the country, they need to be investigated and in all likelihood, shut down. This kind of scenario is a crisis waiting to happen in wild bird populations here in the US.
Agreed 100%

That my biggest fear, as they ship everywhere and a epidemic could happen.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Anyone know what is the statue of limitation for consumer protection law in PA?

Like for issues like pets, animal, etc…In this case or prior case, where the other people had issue, and nothing happened. How long do the Veterinary clinic has to keep animal medical record?
PA and also …CA, OR, WA, NM, UT, CO, TX, etc.

Just in case if any one has to put any thoughts in this topic…

***please forget about received the money back, I am just learning from what happened, and what see how others handled the same situation, and if the statue of limitation has expired if there is one in your state.

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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

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Anyone know what is the statue of limitation for consumer protection law in PA?

Like for issues like pets, animal, etc…I this case or prior case, where the other people had issue, and nothing happened. How long do the Veterinary clinic has to keep animal medical record?
I think 2 years, but not a 100% sure? I do believe because they did a switch and bait, it fall under a fraud claim and not fall under the traditional two year statute. You may have 6 years if it does. I would definitely contact a attorney in your area, if I was you. Even if you don't care about getting the money back, these guys need to be stopped and being your vet confirmed what it is, it maybe enough to put light to this.

More important get government agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and I do think you can get Federal Aviation Administration involve as well, due to they were flown over? PDD is pretty serious and they need to be investigated and shut down if needed before it become more widespread and becomes a bigger issue and claims a lot more lives, plus will help your case in the long run. Mines and other people concern is for stopping this nasty disease from taking any more, then it has to. Coco unfortunately suffer due to these idiots, don't let his death go to waste. Sorry this has to fall on your lap, but like comment stated below, your the one with the proof that when through this mess and have the proof that maybe need to get other involve that will hopefully put a stop to them and make a example of them to where other won't follow in same foot steps.

They fly under the radar as most don't have the proof needed, or follow through and reason they get away with it, but it just take one to provide enough proof to put a stop to it and get authorities involved. Even most of the big major pet stores in my area that sell birds catch wind of a virus they stop selling any birds currently they have in stock and put a sign out and have them tested till under control. These idiots from Ana’s Parrots and supplies don't care and keep selling them as all they care about is getting rich fast.

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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

I really do get that parrots are very expensive to purchase and that you deserve to get your money back here, but please don’t ONLY focus on the financial aspect of this situation. Coco was an individual and a precious little life. His death should count for something...

Please consider the millions of birds, domestic and wild this operation is putting at risk with their practices. At this point, you need to get a lawyer/attorney involved regarding your claim to compensation AND get the authorities involved in regards to a huge bird mill shipping sick birds nationwide. I cannot stress enough how important that is. Unfortunately, like it or not, the duty and obligation to at least try to get something done to shut these people down falls in your lap since you are the one with the proof in hand they’re shipping out sick birds.
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Yes I want to get refund and get paid for all medical bills but I don't want you all think this is all I want. It's break my heart to hear my 3 years old asking over and over why Coco is not coming back. We already told her, and when we tell her he will not coming back she cries, and cries, it's been very hard. No one should ever go thru this and this is why I want to learn more and more and see what can be done. Thanks for all the help.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

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Yes I want to get refund and get paid for all medical bills but I don't want you all think this is all I want. It's break my heart to hear my 3 years old asking over and over why Coco is not coming back. We already told her, and when we tell her he will not coming back she cries, and cries, it's been very hard. No one should ever go thru this and this is why I want to learn more and more and see what can be done. Thanks for all the help.

I understand no one going to judge you as you when through a lot and your right no one sure ever have to go through what you had to. The wrath of the law is what going to be needed as these guys don't care enough to look at proof and take necessary appropriate action to keep a very serious contagious disease from spreading and only care about profit as they are still selling same birds they had when you posted this.

Any responsible breeder, even large scale would have stop sales till they get it back under control and affected area quarantine from rest of facility till cleaned and birds in general area all tested and action taken as needed, till pass inspection and no other cases with birds with PDD confirmed. They sure have refunded you once you proved the bird you received had PDD, or offer a replace him at the very least, that wasn't your fault.

They are still selling birds and seen their ads for a while and yes your not the first, I known of 3 people personally that were sold sick, or unweaned parrots. One was a Moluccan Cockatoo I personally weaned and train for them, he almost died as well and was bought to my attention by another friend and hand fed him myself till fully weaned and a couple others with sick birds as well. Your just happens to be the most serious as they did a bait and switch and sold you Coco that unfortunately had a very infectious disease that took his life.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ana%...1758659eeea5,1,,,

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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Agree with the above sentiments; Coco's passing is horrific on many levels, not the least is deprivation of a beautiful feathered companion. What may have lasting legal traction is shipment of an ill bird.

I would suggest contacting the state AGs for TX and PA, and possibly NY if Coco was ultimately shipped from the latter. Also the aforementioned government agencies with jurisdiction.
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