Parrot Forum Header Left  
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Community > General Health Care

General Health Care Remember to use common sense and consult with an avian veterinarian.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2019, 01:23 PM
Senior Member
Parrots:
Sunny a female B&G macaw; Japie (m) & Appie (f), both are congo african grey; All are rescues- had to leave their previous homes for 'reasons', are still in contact with them :)
Join Date: May 2018
Location: NL= the Netherlands, Europe
Thanks: 4,341
Thanked 7,703 Times in 2,748 Posts
ChristaNL is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Sponsored Links
They deliberately sold you a different & sick bird (and probably knew it/ planned it beforehand) and are now threatening you as well ...
unfortunately those mafiapractices happen a lot (we have a chain like that overhere as well)

I am sorry about the loss of your friend but the legal stuf will more be in terms af "product" and "bill of sales" etc.etc. so no... I will never think its all about the money for you and your family - but the discussion will most likely be all about that.
(And since those criminals only care about the dollars not about the lives of the animals...it's the only language they speak)
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to ChristaNL For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-14-2019), Flboy Supporting Member (04-14-2019), ParrotGenie Supporting Member (04-14-2019), Scott  (04-14-2019), Terry57  (04-14-2019)
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2019, 01:59 PM
Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Thanks: 65
Thanked 71 Times in 36 Posts
AfricanGreyCoco is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

I am not sure if the Bird come from NY, but when I look the the Pet travel requirement, and whether requirement, it requires to provide info on the whether of the location where the bird will fly from or to...and on my package I received a whether in from NY point forecast: Newark International airport NJ, then GA, then Forth Worth TX, it was overnight flight.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to AfricanGreyCoco For This Useful Post:
Flboy Supporting Member (04-14-2019), ParrotGenie Supporting Member (04-15-2019), Terry57  (04-14-2019)
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2019, 03:18 PM
Scott's Avatar
Super Moderator
Parrots:
Goffins: Gabby, Abby, Squeaky, Peanut, Popcorn / Citron: Alice / Eclectus: Angel /Timneh Grey: ET / Blue Fronted Amazon: Gonzo / RIP Gandalf and Big Bird, you are missed.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Diego, California USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Thanks: 66,023
Thanked 33,143 Times in 12,047 Posts
Scott is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Quote: Originally Posted by AfricanGreyCoco View Post
I am not sure if the Bird come from NY, but when I look the the Pet travel requirement, and whether requirement, it requires to provide info on the whether of the location where the bird will fly from or to...and on my package I received a whether in from NY point forecast: Newark International airport NJ, then GA, then Forth Worth TX, it was overnight flight.
Sending a bird on overnight flight seems odd especially with a connection. Only advantage is to avoid high outside daytime temps in summer. Newark to Dallas not a prime route for Delta, hence the need to change aircraft in Atlanta.

Every bit of info helps, but at this point you likely need legal assistance to pursue.
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Scott For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-14-2019), Flboy Supporting Member (04-14-2019), ParrotGenie Supporting Member (04-15-2019), Terry57  (04-14-2019)
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 04-14-2019, 06:16 PM
ParrotGenie's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
2 umbrella Cockatoos One male named Cooper and female named Baby 1 Little Corella male named Frankie and have 5 Cockatiels three named Pepper, Fiesco for the females and male named Wylie.
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Indiana
Thanks: 163
Thanked 937 Times in 355 Posts
ParrotGenie is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Quote: Originally Posted by ChristaNL View Post
They deliberately sold you a different & sick bird (and probably knew it/ planned it beforehand) and are now threatening you as well ...
unfortunately those mafiapractices happen a lot (we have a chain like that overhere as well)

I am sorry about the loss of your friend but the legal stuf will more be in terms af "product" and "bill of sales" etc.etc. so no... I will never think its all about the money for you and your family - but the discussion will most likely be all about that.
(And since those criminals only care about the dollars not about the lives of the animals...it's the only language they speak)
It hard to say if they knew bird was sick before hand? From what I do know about them is they are pretty much bird brokers. They buy birds from other people, or breeder and offer to finish weaning for lower price, so breeders can move on to next clutch to resell them at a higher price. They also buy from Facebook and craigslist looking for older birds as well to resell them. They are bird flipping as well.

The issue is they cut corners, like selling not fully wean baby to keep up with demand to unsuspecting customers like my friend with the Moluccan Cockatoo and sick birds as they are not properly vetted and buying from multiple sources random people online and don't really know background of bird as a result, which is very poor practices.

This is why avoid "pet flippers" which is pretty much what they are. I have no issues with people that take the time and rehab the bird and get it vetted and then resell, or a breeder that care about its birds. It is the ones that are dishonest and don't get proper test done don't ask questions and then don't do what necessary to tame and take care of what the bird may need first, before reselling/re-homing them. They just want to flip to make the quick cash and reason they have listing all the time pretty much. No legitimate breeder would have that many bird for sale all year around.

Coco more likely would have lived longer if it wasn't for the stress of transport and being re-homed. He likely had ABV for a while just being a carrier fighting it off and stress made it Proventricular Dilatation Disease (PDD) and his immune system could no longer fight the virus off. I seen birds with ABV, never progressing to Proventricular Dilatation Disease (PDD) live full life out with families with no other birds fine. Of course you tell this to the person that plan on housing the bird and keep it in same state, so they can have a chance at a good quality of life and know not to keep other birds around that bird and keep up with sanitary requirements and vet visits.

Last edited by ParrotGenie; 04-14-2019 at 06:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ParrotGenie For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-14-2019)
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 07:33 AM
ParrotGenie's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
2 umbrella Cockatoos One male named Cooper and female named Baby 1 Little Corella male named Frankie and have 5 Cockatiels three named Pepper, Fiesco for the females and male named Wylie.
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Indiana
Thanks: 163
Thanked 937 Times in 355 Posts
ParrotGenie is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Female died from polyoma virus

Anyone know of ANY Cherry Headed Conure Breeders located ANYWHERE in the USA??

Here a couple more that died from diseases

https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...96-500-1206090

https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...6090#comment_3

This one from the same person, but give you a idea how she works and tries to hide if she has to deal with local people and meet with people to keep hidden. She also known to use friends house as well to meet up, but in most cases parking lots if she can get them to meet there?

https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...r-away-1464509

http://www.scamion.com/ana-39-s-parrots-bd


Here another one

https://www.complaintsboard.com/comp...s-c743603.html

Same operation and proof of her leaving review for herself across both accounts, not including the fake accounts she created as well. She received negatives and seen her in about a month get them removed. She knows how to use the flag system. I seen the stuff she pulled over the years like a few other here have as well. I hoping your negative will stick, but knowing her she likely figure out a way to get it removed? Hoping rules changed enough since 2015 that they won't and it sticks and people read about the PDD.

https://www.birdbreeders.com/breeder...ton-pa/reviews

Ana Temple 5.00 / 5.00
East Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania
A+++++++++++

Here her other listings

http://www.hoobly.com/u/anasparrots

The address is not where the birds are kept, but to a PO Box 3##

https://www.yelp.com/biz/us-post-office-analomink

Last edited by ParrotGenie; 04-15-2019 at 09:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ParrotGenie For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-15-2019)
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 07:51 AM
Flboy's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
JoJo, 'Special' GCC, Bongo, Cinnamon GCC(wife's)
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Greater Orlando area, Florida
Thanks: 9,679
Thanked 9,095 Times in 4,578 Posts
Flboy is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

She was a member of this forum! Am willing to bet she still is lurking in here somewhere!
__________________
..David..
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Flboy For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-15-2019), ChristaNL (04-15-2019), noodles123 (04-19-2019), ParrotGenie Supporting Member (04-15-2019)
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 08:42 AM
ParrotGenie's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
2 umbrella Cockatoos One male named Cooper and female named Baby 1 Little Corella male named Frankie and have 5 Cockatiels three named Pepper, Fiesco for the females and male named Wylie.
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Indiana
Thanks: 163
Thanked 937 Times in 355 Posts
ParrotGenie is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by AfricanGreyCoco View Post
I am not sure if the Bird come from NY, but when I look the the Pet travel requirement, and whether requirement, it requires to provide info on the whether of the location where the bird will fly from or to...and on my package I received a whether in from NY point forecast: Newark International airport NJ, then GA, then Forth Worth TX, it was overnight flight.
Sending a bird on overnight flight seems odd especially with a connection. Only advantage is to avoid high outside daytime temps in summer. Newark to Dallas not a prime route for Delta, hence the need to change aircraft in Atlanta.

Every bit of info helps, but at this point you likely need legal assistance to pursue.
It does seem odd, but looking into details some more she does have previous NY address. The PA address she has on her website is to a post office for her PO Box? She does have another address in PA as well? She like to hide and meet people in parking lots, or other places not to reveal real address. She been accused of not sending Macaws out and receiving payment and sending sick ones out as well a few years ago and people just assumed it could be someone making a fake website pretending to be her. I suspect otherwise as info directs to her and for the most part she known to send out sick birds, most scammer will change info not to alert the person they are cloning, or copying and just use the pictures and name and create fake listings and likely doubt they ever would sent any birds out period which she did in some cases, if people complaint as they are scammers why would they? She started off with just macaws many years ago, so does match up with the scams she pulled as well.

Quote: Originally Posted by ChristaNL View Post
They deliberately sold you a different & sick bird (and probably knew it/ planned it beforehand) and are now threatening you as well ...
unfortunately those mafiapractices happen a lot (we have a chain like that overhere as well)

I am sorry about the loss of your friend but the legal stuf will more be in terms af "product" and "bill of sales" etc.etc. so no... I will never think its all about the money for you and your family - but the discussion will most likely be all about that.
(And since those criminals only care about the dollars not about the lives of the animals...it's the only language they speak)
The more I look now, I do think it was planned as well and likely she deliberately sold a different & sick bird to make quick cash. She not just a parrot mill/ broker but likely a scammer as well.

https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...6090#comment_3

This scam goes way deeper as founds scams when she was selling macaws and not sending birds, or sick birds years ago and different alias and others involve including her husband. I can't post info due to personal info rule of this forum. It way worst then her just being a mill. It actually a ring of scammers as quite a few involved. These guys need to be shutdown and in prison. A very good reason why she not using a address and PO-Box and tries to get cash only when dealing locally and meets mostly in parking lots?

http://forums.avianavenue.com/index....-jones.143926/

https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...6090#comment_3

Used the parrot forum search engine and type in "Michael-Tran" "Sue Jones" on Parrot forums and you find many more threads about this large scale ring of scammers pull out of CA, NY and PA. Yes they are all connected to each other. Ana claims to be victim of them, but don't buy it as found her husband likely involve with baby macaw pre-order sick bird scam before the CA people were even in the picture.

She and others are pulling scams in CA, NY as well as she has connections linking back to NY. So likely Coco was from NY and details you provided are 100% correct and bird did come from NY, it wasn't a mistake.

These are the very people that started the whole accepting deposits for baby birds waiting to be weaned and stealing people money not sending birds out. This need to be bought to the attention of organized crime division?

Ana claims to be a victim on thread I researched and that they trash her reputation and stole 7k which the original 3k charge back as well on ripoff report, it also link back to her husband originally and other are involve with them and that report was directed at her, not someone else. It just wasn't notice, but started with the macaw's and more people were involve and then became wide spread later on. So it not just "Michael-Tran" "Sue Jones," lthe african grey breeders I also suspect Ana and her husband are involve as well at some point, more likely as she may have been scammed by them, or they owe her money? Just to much linking them back and pretty much same M.O., as her husband pulled with the baby Macaws early on before and when they just started Ana's Parrots and Supplies way before Michael-Tran" "Sue Jones," the african grey breeders were involve. Ana and her husband were likely also taking deposit for the macaws and sending out sick birds from NY then when people were on to them to shut them up and not to pursue criminal charges. Likely how they came up with the cash to start the business?

Not sure what involvement they had with the CA breeder guys, as bit and pieces of info still around? Can't dismiss the fact scams started in NY where Ana husband stays as saw early reports before people really knew about "Michael-Tran" "Sue Jones"? It just became wide spread with them and Ana claimed to be scam by them,which could be true, but she also a scammer as well?

Last edited by ParrotGenie; 04-15-2019 at 12:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ParrotGenie For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-15-2019)
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 10:01 AM
Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Thanks: 65
Thanked 71 Times in 36 Posts
AfricanGreyCoco is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Based on what you are saying, do you think the bird first left NY, then NJ, then GA, then TX?
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 10:07 AM
ParrotGenie's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
2 umbrella Cockatoos One male named Cooper and female named Baby 1 Little Corella male named Frankie and have 5 Cockatiels three named Pepper, Fiesco for the females and male named Wylie.
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Indiana
Thanks: 163
Thanked 937 Times in 355 Posts
ParrotGenie is on a distinguished road
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Quote: Originally Posted by AfricanGreyCoco View Post
Based on what you are saying, do you think the bird first left NY, then NJ, then GA, then TX?

I believe the bird may have came from NY as you stated earlier. These scammers run out of mostly NY, CA and PA and she goes under different alias and several people involve. It is a lot worst then some even suspected already. They are large scale scammers and a few involve, not just bird brokers/mill that sell sick birds due to poor practices. All I can tell you is NY is her husband address, I can't give out personal details like address on forum. He the one that started the ring requesting deposits on baby Macaws and sending out sick macaws when people threaten him, when they found out who he really was. They tried to make it seem like it was a 3rd party that copy listing and was scamming and taking deposits. No scammer going to send out a bird after heat put on them. They are known for a wide range of other fraud as well. A few people are likely involve?

Last edited by ParrotGenie; 04-15-2019 at 12:30 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ParrotGenie For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-15-2019)
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 04-15-2019, 12:31 PM
EllenD's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Senegal Parrot named "Kane"; Yellow-Sided Green Cheek Conure named "Bowie"; Blue Quaker Parrot named "Lita Ford"; Cockatiel named "Duff"; 8 American/English Budgie Hybrids; Ringneck Dove named "Dylan"
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: State College, PA
Thanks: 6,266
Thanked 7,230 Times in 2,970 Posts
EllenD will become famous soon enough
Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

I don't see my post to this that I posted on Saturday morning I believe, maybe it didn't post, but I was in-contact through email with the OP until Bowie had his accident, and I knew she had emailed me after that because I saw the alerts pop-up, but I wasn't online at all last week so I apologize, it was just due to Bowie having a horrible accident and us going back and forth between home and my CAV, and then also to work and back...So I need to catch-up with the OP on this...

ParrotGenie...There are 2 women who are partners and own this business, Ana and her partner Lily...Ana is located in Scranton, PA and Lily is located in Hazleton, PA...There are no buildings or an actual "business" that you can go and visit the birds in, but rather they each have basically what I would call a warehouse where they keep the birds that they buy...This is why they have PO Boxes and not listed business addresses....I have personally driven past the one in Hazleton and it's a dump. That's how they have advertised and done business for years, but now as you see they don't sell birds locally, they don't want to, and they don't advertise locally because they don't want people to be able to want and come see the birds before they buy them, they only want to sell to people out of state that have to buy the birds sight-unseen and have to air-ship them to them...They have recently started doing what our lawyer at the Rescue calls a 'Drop-Shipping" scam, which is what you are describing..Yes, these 2 women are tied to other large-scale operations in other states, but they both do in-fact operate as Parrot-Brokers out of these 2 facilities in PA as well. Their new affiliation with other scammers in other states is fairly new, but being watched closely...I wasn't aware that they were that involved with these other large-scale operations as much as they apparently are...

As I told the OP, even when these 2 first started out, they were shady as hell and everyone local to them stayed far away...The first time I even realized how horrible their practices are was years ago when I first started working at the Rescue, back when they would still advertise birds that they had for sale on all the local Craigslist Pet-Pages...They were very stupid back then and didn't cover their tracks very well at all, and they were searching all of the local PA Craigslist pages (anywhere they were willing to drive to from Scranton or Hazleton) for birds/parrots that people were re-homing...They bought every parrot they could cheaply from their prior owners, posing as women who simply wanted to adopt a bird to add to their families as pets...A lot of the time they didn't pay a cent for them, they were just re-homed to them because their owners wanted them to go to responsible, experienced homes...Then they would turn around and sell the birds for hundreds or thousands of dollars...And back when they still advertised and sold locally in PA, they would get caught posting a bird for sale that had just been posted a week or two prior for re-homing by their original owners (with fully made-up histories, ages, genders, etc., basically they just wrote their life-stories for them)...So that's when they stopped advertising locally and stopped selling them locally...It's literally impossible to buy a bird from them locally because you cannot see the birds first, and you cannot go and pick the birds up in-person or pay them in-person...They have to be air-shipped to you...

I once tried to see some Budgies they had advertised under "Lily's Parrots", which they said were "hand-raised and hand-fed, bred BY THEM "on-site", etc. I first contacted Ana, but she passed me off to "her partner, Lily", and gave me her phone number because "that's where the birds were bred and hand-raised, by her partner Lily"...When I contacted Lily she was horribly rude right from hello, and told me that not only could I not see the birds before purchasing them, but that I would have to pay $125 PER BUDGIE to air-ship them to me in State College, which is a 2-hour drive from Hazleton...When I said that this was ridiculous because the cost of shipping each bird from Hazleton to State College was more than the cost of the bird, and I was more than willing to drive to her any time that was good for her, she hung-up on me and never called me back or returned any of my emails either...

*****Bottom-line to what is currently being investigated is not only where their birds actually come from, where they are held/stored until they are sold, and whether or not the Health-Certificates, DNA Certificates, etc. that they supply with them are real, but also now whether they have regularly been committing Felony Mail-Fraud by taking money from people who are expecting a certain bird but being shipped a totally different bird, and with a history that is nothing like the phony one they list...Because animals/pets are considered "Personal-Property" in PA, there are limited things that law-enforcement can do about a lot of their practices or about how they treat the birds that they do buy from wherever they can get them and that they store in nasty, dirty warehouses; So the best way to nail them is by charging them with crimes such as Federal Mail-Fraud. It's sad, but that's really all that can be done as far as criminally charging them with anything due to the way the animal/pet laws in PA are written.

What everyone needs to know about Ana's Parrots and Lily's Parrots in Pennsylvania is that none of the birds they sell are ever bred, hand-raised, or hand-fed by them, and none of the bird's histories that they list are true. They buy every bird/parrot, both babies and adults, from any and every source they can find them, whether that be birds being re-homed on sites like Craigslist, in local newspapers, on Kijiji, and yes, birds that they "adopt" from local Avian Rescues and Animal Shelters (they pay an "adoption fee" or "Re-Homing Fee" of a couple hundred dollars for a Macaw, Cockatoo, CAG, etc., and then sell them for thousands of dollars)...They don't get their birds vet-checked and many of them are sick or injured, or have behavioral issues such as Feather-Destructive Behaviors...They don't know what medical issues their birds have because they don't know anything about the birds, they simply buy them/adopt them/rescue them from wherever they can, then they advertise them and sell them. They don't ever see a vet...It's really awful...

And the worst part is they use threats and intimidation to get people they've screwed-over and taken-advantage of to delete any negative reviews or comments that they've written online. And they themselves delete any negative reviews/comments from their own websites and social media pages that they control the second they're posted. They threaten people with civil lawsuits for "slander" and "libel", which is completely BS and they know they can't sue these people for posting negative reviews or comments about their experiences buying birds from them, but they just hope that they can scare the people enough that they'll not post anything negative and delete them if they already have...And filing complaints with the BBB or AG in Pennsylvania is usually useless, again because of the way animals/pets are considered "Personal Property" in PA...They will literally offer a "Replacement Bird" to these poor people who have spent thousands of dollars on a sick bird, but the people have to literally return the sick bird to them first...Then they just re-sell the sick bird again right away, and often send the person another sick bird...And that's only the people who actually file a complaint with the BBB or AG, they typically scare most people out of doing it in the first place for fear of a lawsuit because "They lost a lot of business due to your negative review, so I'm suing you in Civil Court for the amount of money I lost due to your Slander and Libel"...It's crap and would be thrown out of court if they ever did file them, which they never would, but it works...

I wasn't aware of the "Identity Fraud" thing, but am no surprised at all. Not one bit. These women are horrible people who take advantage of others on a daily basis, they lie, steal, commit fraud, and worst of all they exploit and abuse birds, and they rip people's hearts apart daily...And I hope one of them is reading this thread, go ahead and file your Lawsuit against me for "Slander", lol...Good luck!!!
__________________
"Dance Like Nobody's Watching".
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to EllenD For This Useful Post:
AfricanGreyCoco (04-15-2019), ChristaNL (04-15-2019), Flboy Supporting Member (04-15-2019), lizard (04-15-2019), ParrotGenie Supporting Member (04-15-2019)
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Community > General Health Care

Tags
ana's parrots, pdd
Remove Ads

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
African grey does not like us :( fijii Behavioral 22 03-06-2017 12:58 PM
African Grey Cecilia Congo & Timneh Greys 29 10-19-2016 10:42 AM
New Social Group - African Grey Parrot the Congo African Grey and the Timneh Africa Marileen New Members Welcome 0 09-06-2016 04:47 AM
New african grey mom pittiepride New Members Welcome 3 04-07-2011 11:10 AM
Getting an African Grey ?????????? antoinette Congo & Timneh Greys 8 01-06-2010 08:36 AM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.