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Old 04-11-2019, 08:58 PM
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African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

African Grey died less than 3 months
I purchased bird from Ana’s Parrots and supplies on 01/06/2019. Based on the picture and texts between Ana Pullman and I the bird was beautiful and healthy. I paid for DNA test, and never got copy of the test, she did say in text only it is Male. I received a different bird, little dark, and different of the picture, and I text Ana and asked how old the bird was she said 6-8 years old, the bird we purchased had the band on the left leg, the bird we received had the band on the right leg . We thought everything was fine, until he got sick, 03/23/19. DR need more info regards his age and his heathy I contact Ana, when she sent a picture of the bird, she was supposed to send to us that when we realized she sent us the wrong bird. We accepted Coco as darker color not thinking he was dying bird. We never though he had about 2-3 months to live. I did contact Ana, asked to refund and pay for medical bills since I think what happened was not correct. The bird we received; we were told was 6-8 years old died for the follow illness/diseases: (necropsy was complete)

DIAGNOSIS
1) HEART: MODERATE TO SEVERE ATHEROSCLEROSIS
2) PROVENTRICULUS AND VENTRICULUS: LYMPHOPLASMACYTIC
GANGLIONEURITIS AND LEIOMYOSITIS

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The lymphocytic and plasmacytic inflammatory infiltrates described within the gastric sections
are consistent with the findings in proventricular dilatation disease (PDD). The clinical signs
may vary between psittacine species but generally include; depression, weight loss, constant or
intermittent regurgitation, passage of undigested seed in the feces, ataxia, abnormal head
movements, seizures, and proprioceptive or motor deficits. There will be a variable distention
and/or dilation of the gastrointestinal tract, most commonly noted of the proventriculus. A viral
etiology is associated with PDD.

Based on our case submissions, atherosclerosis is more common in African grey
parrots, Quakers, cockatiels, Amazon parrots and infrequently in cockatoos, conures, macaws
and lovebirds. The average age range is 10 to 15 years.

We did file complain with BBB, Attorney General, Consumer Protection and we do hope we can receive the right resolution.
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:49 AM
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Welcome to the Forum but I wish it was under better circumstances. This Ana’s Parrots outfit should be shut down forthwith, I have NO idea how or why they’re allowed to continue operating. All I’ve ever read is awful heartbreaking stories like yours and I hate to think of the miserable lives their poor birds must be living. I’m sorry for your loss. Hopefully your next birdie adoption will be a happier experience for all concerned.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

How about we start something to help other family not to go thru this. Maybe ask to change the law regards the pets, if you buy a pet and died within first 90 days they will be responsible.
If there so many out there the we may start get some signature and have Law to protect Pets & Animals Owners in all States

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Old 04-12-2019, 07:41 AM
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Quote: Originally Posted by AfricanGreyCoco View Post
How about we start something to help other family not to go thru this. Maybe ask to change the law regards the pets, if you buy a pet and died within first 90 days they will be responsible.
If there so many out there the we may start get some signature and have Law to protect Pets & Animals Owners is all States
I hear your pain. There should be something to protect innocent beings.

However, while your case shows that Coco did die due to PDD, not all pets who pass away within the first 90 days of rehoming are due to breeder negligence. Not your situation - but we have seen situations where some owners don't do their research beforehand and due to their own negligence, the bird dies. I know this isn't the case for Coco, but we do have quite a few responsible breeders in this forum who spend their time and money to make sure their babies are happy and healthy and go to good homes.

I agree irresponsible sellers should be held accountable. And no one would wish your pain on anyone. I hope you find healing, no matter what course of action you take.
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Old 04-12-2019, 10:36 AM
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Sadly, "pets" in the U.S. are generally considered "personal property." Laws deliberately vague with minimal restitution for grievances.

Various agencies have tried and continue to elevate public awareness to enhance the lives of companion and other animals with very mixed success.

Unfortunately this is a very steep uphill battle for you and others in similar predicament. Continued poor breeding and/or conditions continues to plague most every form of companion animal, to say nothing of those raised for food. (totally separate issue)
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

I am sorry for that loss. When I saw the name of the seller question it reminded me that I've seen EllenD write dis-favorably of them before, with good reason:


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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Don't get me started with Ana’s Parrots., they sure have been shut down a long time ago. They are well known for selling sick and not tested birds at outrageous prices. You not the first as had several of my customers and friends had similar stories over the years. Including a baby Moluccan Cockatoo I had wean myself as they sold it to someone unweaned for over 4k and bird almost ended up dying, but thankfully friend told me about it.

Reading the whole ElienD thread, I am not surprised that they are a parrot mill as seen they always have birds for sale at very outrageous prices. Hopefully you be able to take legal recourse and don't back down. Theses people needed to be shut down a while ago, you be doing a lot of people a favor.

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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

While I am unsure you would receive compensation, PDD is highly contagious and can spread to wild birds. Given the scale of this operation and that they ship all over, I wonder if the USDA or perhaps the local fish and wildlife agency or even the local animal control department would be interested in a confirmed case of PDD in a large scale bird breeding operation... just imagine if that spread to native migratory birds, local endangered species, livestock etc... I’m certain one of the government agencies would be interested in this and this operation needs to be shut down. This could be the reason.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

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While I am unsure you would receive compensation, PDD is highly contagious and can spread to wild birds. Given the scale of this operation and that they ship all over, I wonder if the USDA or perhaps the local fish and wildlife agency or even the local animal control department would be interested in a confirmed case of PDD in a large scale bird breeding operation... just imagine if that spread to native migratory birds, local endangered species, livestock etc... I’m certain one of the government agencies would be interested in this and this operation needs to be shut down. This could be the reason.
So very well stated Kiwi's Mom!
The majority of States that are along the migration routes quickly become concerned when such confirmed cases occur. In my State, such confirmed cases require that they are reported to the State by the Vet.
Your State may have an 'implied warranty' that provides some limited protection when a product fails (dies) within a limited time after purchasing.
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Re: African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

Sorry for this nightmare! Ellen will blister the internet when she sees this!
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