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Old 06-05-2019, 06:10 PM
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Help diagnosing toe issue for Timneh African Grey

Grady, a Timneh African Grey, has had a foot problem for over a month. It started about two weeks before I brought him home, and I have had him for just over a month. I have been trying to get help for him. My local avian vet (who is over an hour away), cannot figure out the issue. I am afraid Grady will lose his toe soon, as it getting worse.

I had my vet do x-rays, blood work, and a cytology exam, but for my vet, they were all inconclusive. I am awaiting electronic copies, and will post here as soon as I get them.

I am getting desperate to help Grady.

I have an appointment with another avian vet, but it is a week away, and I do not have high hopes. If someone here could help, I would be most grateful.


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Le Grady, a Timneh African Grey, has had a foot problem for over a month. It started about two weeks before I brought him home, and I have had him for just over a month. I have been trying to get help for him. My local avian vet (who is over an hour away), cannot figure out the issue. I am afraid Grady will lose his toe soon, as it getting worse.



I had my vet do x-rays, blood work, and a cytology exam, but for my vet, they were all inconclusive. I am awaiting electronic copies, and will post here as soon as I get them.



I am getting desperate to help Grady.


I have an appointment with another avian vet, but it is a week away, and I do not have high hopes. If someone here could help, I would be most grateful.




Cordially,
Lee

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Re: Help diagnosing toe issue for Timneh African Grey

Go to an Avian vet.

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Re: Help diagnosing toe issue for Timneh African Grey

Hmm. I hate to speculate, but my first two thoughts would be bumblefoot or cancer. I have been reading up bumblefoot today as we were just given 2 guinea fowl, 1 with a bumblefoot infection. For chickens, etc it seems epsom salts soaking, and potentially sergical debridement and antibiotics. You could also soak in a very dilute clorahexadine(wrong spelling, sorry), or chamomile tea.



Did your vet rule these two possibilities out?


Do you have any earlier photos so we can get some idea of the progression speed and stages?


Best wishes and hope your baby starts to feel better soon!
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Re: Help diagnosing toe issue for Timneh African Grey

Also, I am seeing the odd red feather in the plumage, is this correct? This would also be concerning if so, and could indicate organ issues. Is your local vet board certified, or the one you have an appointment for in a week? Also, can you move up the appointment? This really should be diagnosed ASAP, for your bird's sake.


Eta: I mean red feathering as would not be typical with a timneh's natural coloring.
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Go to an Avian vet.

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Yes, thanks, but as I wrote, "My local avian vet..."
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Also, I am seeing the odd red feather in the plumage, is this correct? This would also be concerning if so, and could indicate organ issues. Is your local vet board certified, or the one you have an appointment for in a week? Also, can you move up the appointment? This really should be diagnosed ASAP, for your bird's sake.


Eta: I mean red feathering as would not be typical with a timneh's natural coloring.

Yes, he has some red feathers. Here is a picture of his chest, from an avian vet trip, in his carrier. You can see the blood dot from a shot-in-the-dark antibiotics shot.


He was plucking at the rescue, but he has many nice little feathers growing in since he is with me.
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Do you have any earlier photos so we can get some idea of the progression speed and stages?

Thanks for the suggestion and the well wishes. Here is the earliest picture I have, from May 1.
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Hmm. I hate to speculate, but my first two thoughts would be bumblefoot or cancer.

Did your vet rule these two possibilities out?

My avian vet said it was not bumblefoot. I think he is right. There was no issue on the bottom of the foot. Besides, bumblefoot is a non-specific diagnosis.





The cytology exam showed what might be a small amount of early cancer cells, but the pathologist was doubtful.
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  1. Is your local vet board certified, or the one you have an appointment for in a week?
  2. Also, can you move up the appointment?
  3. This really should be diagnosed ASAP, for your bird's sake.
  1. Yes, and yes.
  2. No, I took first available.
  3. Agreed. I have many, many, many hours invested and many hundreds of dollars invested. I'm trying. I called about ten avian vets tonight, all two to three hours away.
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Re: Help diagnosing toe issue for Timneh African Grey

Yes a nonspecific doagnosis. But a similar thing could be this... perhaps trauma let in staph or MRSA or something and this is an abcess resulting from such? I really think your best answers will come from a board certified avian vet, which it seems you are working with several. Gosh, I'm sorry they don't have any "emergency" type appointments sooner. Poor guy. Regardless of what it is, a warm water soak would probably help him to feel better temporarily, and if it is an abcess of some sort, that could potentially help it to drain.



Did they do a blood panel to see about organ and immune function?
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