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Old 10-09-2019, 06:16 PM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

I'm glad you're helping Kirby out... what a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing.

Meanwhile, my husband's name is Kirby. Here's a video of my bird yelling to him... I thought it might be fun for you to see!


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Old 10-09-2019, 08:01 PM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

Haha! That’s adorable. I think our Kirby would be less amused, lol. She has however started referring to herself as “Kirbybird” instead of Kirby as that’s what we call her.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:07 PM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

I totally agree on what Steven (Sailboat) said. Amy, my 30 yo Amazon doesn't fly,never has ( it was MY fault for never teaching him) he was only four months old when he picked me. Last year at his wellness check I found out he has a heart issue..PLAQUE in an artery! and needs to take a med everyday for the rest of his life. So from being not that active (i.e. FLYING) his keel muscles aren't like they should be and he was getting FAT! At that particular wellness check he was at 548gs. His diet had to be re-done. I removed ALL seed (used to have a bowl where he could snack on) and now he eats Zupreem medium "maintenance" pellets and Bird Street Bistro food and/or fresh fruit and veggies. He is down to a good 507g's now but could loose a few more g's.
We also do "flapflap" lessons which he seems to enjoy. But as 'Boats pointed out,I listen to his before/after heart rate..make sure he's not panting or stressed out. We do these lessons a couple times a week for maybe fifteen minutes. I give him a few minutes to rest up during inbetween these exercises.
I don't think he'll ever really "fly" ( he has made a couple half-hearted attempts,usually when frightened of something and doesn't make it too far ) He prefers to walk,or hitch a ride on his servantbut we still do the lessons for his health...I want him around for another thirty years!


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Old 10-10-2019, 09:06 PM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

Quote: Originally Posted by AmyMyBlueFront View Post
I totally agree on what Steven (Sailboat) said. Amy, my 30 yo Amazon doesn't fly,never has ( it was MY fault for never teaching him) he was only four months old when he picked me. Last year at his wellness check I found out he has a heart issue..PLAQUE in an artery! and needs to take a med everyday for the rest of his life. So from being not that active (i.e. FLYING) his keel muscles aren't like they should be and he was getting FAT! At that particular wellness check he was at 548gs. His diet had to be re-done. I removed ALL seed (used to have a bowl where he could snack on) and now he eats Zupreem medium "maintenance" pellets and Bird Street Bistro food and/or fresh fruit and veggies. He is down to a good 507g's now but could loose a few more g's.
We also do "flapflap" lessons which he seems to enjoy. But as 'Boats pointed out,I listen to his before/after heart rate..make sure he's not panting or stressed out. We do these lessons a couple times a week for maybe fifteen minutes. I give him a few minutes to rest up during inbetween these exercises.
I don't think he'll ever really "fly" ( he has made a couple half-hearted attempts,usually when frightened of something and doesn't make it too far ) He prefers to walk,or hitch a ride on his servantbut we still do the lessons for his health...I want him around for another thirty years!


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So, I think Kirby and Amy are more similar than I thought possible..

Kirby has lived their whole life as an assumed female - the DNA results just came back.

KIRBY IS A BOY. Everything I know is a lie! Why does he love kids so much?! I mean, LOVES KIDS. He almost exclusively talks for the kids, lets them interact with him (supervised) etc... a parrot store person said in his experience female parrots tend to do that, so I guess he’s just a really amiable dude.

I’m rolling laughing right now. Poor Amy and Kirby.

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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

My cockatoo came to me with fatty liver when I adopted her and I used a liquid milk-thistle mix and lactUlose (not lactose) multiple times daily. Blood-work is normal now---always consult with your vet, but lactulose can prevent seizures due to high levels of ammonia in the blood/brain and milk thistle can help heal....That, plus diet modification (low sugar, lower protein, low fat etc ). Noodles has flapping lessons too (AKA me yelling, "get the flappers going" in an annoying voice, while she clings to my hand and flaps like a maniac--often upside-down lol)

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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

I will ask her, she had suggested flaxseed oil and ended up giving me the oral meds which was a mix of heart healthy oils with what I think was an ACE inhibitor (I need to check the label again) so it’s possible she’d know what you are talking about and be able to give me dosing info! Where do you get it from?
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Old 10-11-2019, 01:05 AM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

I worked in human healthcare for many years (I'm an RN) and saw many, many people diagnosed with all sorts of "detrimental never to recover" type conditions not only recover but thrive. Your bird wears the scars of life, as we all do. With the typical care captive parrots are given I'm really not surprised by the results, but not one of the results is a death sentence. Far from it, with a program whose motto is slow and steady I'm sure most everything is "improvable" if not reversible. I know with humans it is not uncommon for vertebrae to appear out of position if someone is severely debilitated, or sometimes just with significant muscle wasting from inactivity. All of our connective tissues assist in holding our skeletal system in a type of "check and balance" arrangement. As your bird becomes more active and experiences a strengthening of muscles, tendons, etc. you may find that the vertebrae are actually able to approximate a closer to normal alignment. Regardless, any type of lifestyle improvement will only bring about good things! Good luck
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

Quote: Originally Posted by PickleMeDickles View Post
I worked in human healthcare for many years (I'm an RN) and saw many, many people diagnosed with all sorts of "detrimental never to recover" type conditions not only recover but thrive. Your bird wears the scars of life, as we all do. With the typical care captive parrots are given I'm really not surprised by the results, but not one of the results is a death sentence. Far from it, with a program whose motto is slow and steady I'm sure most everything is "improvable" if not reversible. I know with humans it is not uncommon for vertebrae to appear out of position if someone is severely debilitated, or sometimes just with significant muscle wasting from inactivity. All of our connective tissues assist in holding our skeletal system in a type of "check and balance" arrangement. As your bird becomes more active and experiences a strengthening of muscles, tendons, etc. you may find that the vertebrae are actually able to approximate a closer to normal alignment. Regardless, any type of lifestyle improvement will only bring about good things! Good luck
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:28 PM
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

I spoke to the vet about milk thistle and she said she felt that diet change alone would help and that she therefore did not recommend it at this time, especially since he is already taking the herbal supplements for his heart.

We gave him a few pellets to choose from and he seems to like Harrison’s Pepper Lifetime the best. I’m still offering TOPS as it’s slightly lower in fat (5 versus 5.5) but our vet prefers Harrison’s so I guess that’s okay.

We offer him chop in the morning and at night and he eats at the table with us - it seems to really encourage him to try and eat his veggies when we are all hanging out and eating together.

Cricket is banned from the dinner table at the moment as he won’t stop landing in the food.
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Re: Kirby’s Prognosis

My rescue Quaker Penny, had fatty liver, constricted wings, low vitamin A and D, and arthritis, and withdrawn sit like lump on a stick syndrome.
Her vet didn't think her wing restrictions would improve much( from being kept in a tiny cage her while life) but my Penny suprised us both she has improved I'd say 60 % on her wings!!! She also used to stay crouched either because if the small cage before or liver pain, now she sits and moves better!!! The swelling is gone from her feet a d toes. Her liver values are nearly normal now. And she can fly!!!!
So yes I thi k you can see loads of improvement !
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