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Old 12-31-2019, 10:45 AM
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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

The jugular is the typical blood draw spot. Mine are done awake. But the wing can be used, but is a very fragile vein and even gentle techniques leave abig hematoma, the leg can also sometimes be used to take blood.

A caution, liver disease, can cause clotting problems....if he keeps bleeding from his toes that worries me that he isn't clotting good....
Blood work can be valuable. But it doesn't have to be done, if they think they know what's going on, and can try treatments..

Blood work is a tool, and you and your vet have to decide if the bennifit out way the risks. Anesthesia is an added risk. In animals like dogs and cats it's easy to use a little anesthesia to relax them, or if they agressive. But it's is not the same with birds, birds are very different.

In the states the norm at an avain specialist is to wrap them in a towel, hold their head and take blood from jugular, all done in front of you. There is still small risk of laceration of the jugular and bleeding out. We had this happen to a GCC not long ago on the forum. But the vet was not an avain specialist ( i think)
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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

I have never submitted a bird for anesthesia for the sole purpose of blood draws over nearly 35 years. While Sevoflurane and Isoflurane gasses administered by a skilled certified avian vet are considered reasonably "safe," there is always risk. Primarily due to underlying illnesses not evident as parrots are masters of disguise.
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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

I "fired" a vet over this not long ago. Kept going to the practice, but not that vet. He wanted to sedate Alex to draw blood. At the time Alex was only 16, but that still is not a young cockatiel. That was about a year and a half ago. I absolutely refused. I cancelled the appointment(about a day after making the appointment. I thought long and hard about it and decided I was not ok with sedating a 16 year old bird just for a blood draw. They claimed it was standard practice, but another vet at their practice had drawn blood from Crayon, a senior Amazon I had until ahe passed, sans sedation and right in front of me) and everything, the vet himself called me back a day or so later and said he was willing to try without the gas, but at that point I had already lost faith in him and decided to go to another vet.
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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

What OP is saying is very strange to me-- I have heard of some birds needing a sedative of sorts for an x-ray, but never just for blood-work. I would freak out if they told me that had to happen, as the risk of anesthesia is SO high and complicated with avian patients---there is a lot that can go wrong given the fact that this should be fairly simple blood-work... I would only put Noodles under in the event that her life was at stake and she needed a surgery or something...or maybe if a wing/bone was so damaged that she would have to have it corrected and the only way to do so would be to put her out.

I wouldn't trust this vet---just my opinion.

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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

I was not aware that England does not provide the Certification of Avian Studies. Especially with the number of Parrots in England. But, that is beside the point.

Here in North America such is available and as you can tell, much adored by those of us so blessed to have one or more near us. That said, there are large regions of North America that are not so blessed.

That all said, when specialists are not available, it is important to find an Avian Professional that has taken the time to study the special needs of Parrots. You need to find a Vet that you are first comfortable with and second made an effort to self-education using advance studies.

It appears that you have a Parrot that needs care. If you are comfortable with this Vet, process... If questionable, look for another.

It is important for you to understand that the major population regions of North America have opportunities that have spoiled us and our Parrots.
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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

None of my guys have ever been given a general anaesthetic to draw blood, not even my tiny lorikeet who is smaller than a budgie.

You may be reluctant to try a new vet if your bird is already being treated for an existing condition, but there’s a list of avian vets in the UK on theparrotsocietyuk.org which may give you an alternative.

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Re: Do they really need general anaesthetic for blood test?

Today I spoke to a different exotics vet that sees birds. They said they would use general anaesthetic too, and the reason isn't the risk of moving and bleeding but the risk of death from stress. Without seeing the research that's based on, I have no idea which country's vets are correct, but it looks like that's the belief here so that's what any vet is going to do. Hopefully he will keep getting better and he won't need any tests.

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