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Old 01-07-2020, 12:45 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

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Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.
FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?

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Old 01-07-2020, 01:14 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

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Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.
Yes, you are correct regarding the Netherlands!
That said, it is like any other prescribed drug in that its production is overseen by the Government! i.e. produced in an approved facility with full over-sight.
No competent Doctor is going to prescribed a drug in which there is no controls regarding the ingredients and their proportions. Plus the equipment is cleared on occasion.

Happy for you and your ability to obtained the product directly from the Netherlands. But, take care of the 'knock-off' versions coming out the Eastern Europe.

North America is still very early in this process. Once legit organizations create a formula with trackable ingredients and complete the testing that every other drug is required to complete. It will become available as a prescription product in North America. As present, those organization currently involved in the marketing of the product are unwilling to start that process.

North America will catch-up quickly as there are huge revenue opportunities for Government. And, all Governments are looking for MONEY. And that is where the 'stories' about big Drug Companies pressuring Government not to approve fall about... The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!

Without question, Big Drug is already formulating and will have a Government approved product on the market within three or so years! But, the greatest concern of Big Drug is the Placebo Effect that maybe a larger factor as application must start with a target illness that is effects positively in scientifically verified studies by more than one research group.

And now we have come full circle: CBD is a Product Looking for an Application.
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:19 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

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Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.
FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?
Slight correct here: What FDA Approved and What was Black Marketed are two very different things! Unless you mean 'they' as the Black Marketeers!
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:24 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

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Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.
FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?
Slight correct here: What FDA Approved and What was Black Marketed are two very different things! Unless you mean 'they' as the Black Marketeers!

Yes two very different things as sort of explained earlier, but FDA is the issue as well, but a whole another topic that could take pages to explain.

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Old 01-07-2020, 01:26 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

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North America is still very early in this process. Once legit organizations create a formula with trackable ingredients and complete the testing that every other drug is required to complete. It will become available as a prescription product in North America. As present, those organization currently involved in the marketing of the product are unwilling to start that process.

North America will catch-up quickly as there are huge revenue opportunities for Government. And, all Governments are looking for MONEY. And that is where the 'stories' about big Drug Companies pressuring Government not to approve fall about... The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!

Without question, Big Drug is already formulating and will have a Government approved product on the market within three or so years! But, the greatest concern of Big Drug is the Placebo Effect that maybe a larger factor as application must start with a target illness that is effects positively in scientifically verified studies by more than one research group.

And now we have come full circle: CBD is a Product Looking for an Application.
Even large vape companies have yet to summit a PMA application and deadline getting close. You are a 100% correct on this one. "The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!" Both sides are to blame as well.

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Old 01-07-2020, 01:29 PM
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Re: CBD Oil???

Marketing's purpose is to make you buy things, which you often do not need, and can sometimes even harm you. Remember that. You should question your sanity if you consider seriously an intent to drug another creature as 'beneficial' without consultation to a trained medical expert.
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Re: CBD Oil???

When they find the species of parrot that nibbles on the theoretical CBD plant , thats the day I would even consider bringing it near Salty. Just my opinion.
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Old 01-09-2020, 11:30 AM
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Re: CBD Oil???

I just read an article about how products for pets that claim to contain CBD actually contain little to no CBD. And it's highly unregulated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ually-n1111841
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Re: CBD Oil???

I did use CBD oil for my TAG with terminal cancer. She responded to this better than meloxicam. It made her a bit sleepy and she seemed more relaxed. At that point we had nothing left to lose and I would try anything. I found a site online with some people who had personal experience using it and a dosage scale so we gave it a shot. It seemed to give her some relief and I’m glad we used it, but I would probably only use it again if I ever had a bird in a similar situation.
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Re: CBD Oil???

My ex has MS pretty bad now She swears by the oil and "other" concoctions.
It is legal for medicinal use here in CT,highly regulated,need a license and all that hoopla.Don't think I'd give it to my birdy though.


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