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Old 09-01-2020, 06:34 AM
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

You could attach a pic of the X-ray? Did they include the pelvis? It’s possible this is a pelvic fracture.
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Old 09-01-2020, 08:07 AM
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

I don't have the xray. I'll have to see if I can get it. Calling a different vet this morning.
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Old 09-02-2020, 04:39 PM
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

So Gloria went to another avian vet for a second opinion on her lameness. I had emailed the videos I took of her and a lengthy recap of everything that had happened thus far. They also sent for the records from our regular vet but they were unable to view her xray (requires a password that they forgot to send and the regular vet was closed today--apparently this happens with other vets too).

I was unable to go in due to covid but I will say that I was extremely impressed with them--their patient forms were 6 pages long with super specific questions about how you care for your bird.

The vet did a physical exam and she said that just feeling around, it feels like Gloria's knee is ruptured and that's causing her to turn her foot out. She needs to see the xray to be sure so she will get hold of our regular vet's office tomorrow.

As to options for treatment:

1) If she's not in pain, let her heal--she said that she had a patient choose this one for their cockatoo a couple of months ago. She said that scar tissue starts forming quickly and that is probably why Gloria doesn't seem to be too uncomfortable because it provides some cushioning for the bones. She also said that she would have limited use of her foot but would probably relearn certain things.

2) Surgery option 1-- She can go in and try to reconstruct the tissue around the knee which apparently has a fairly high failure rate for Amazons --particularly this age but if successful, she would have more regular use of her leg.

3) Surgery option 2--She can pin the joint. This does limit the leg somewhat but would enable her to eat with her foot and such. She said that usually works fairly well though she once had an African Gray pull the pin out before it was ready to come out.

I asked her what she would do if it was her bird and she said that she'd probably do the surgery. She did say that Amazons this age often develop some coronary problems and liver issues and she would need to do a full body xray to check that out. This would also require at least one night's stay in the hospital.

Money isn't really a consideration in this, I just want Gloria to be comfortable and not in pain (which she doesn't seem to be at this point). She's been acting like herself though she's still in the travel cage. She did finally perch today though she sort of roosted. She's also taken to sitting on her dish which is what she's always liked to do. She's a chill old bird that's fairly low activity and sweet--old lady who lives with old folks.

So I will wait to talk to the new vet when she's seen the xray then weigh this all out and see what we should do.

Thank you to all of you who encouraged me to get a second opinion.
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Old 09-02-2020, 05:10 PM
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

I’m so happy to hear you found a good vet.

There are so many factors to consider as you make your decision. Your baby looked in pain to me , and they are going to naturally hide some of their pain. As you can imagine if this was your knee... so glad she has had pain medication up to this point.


I would offer her one probably two extra extra wide perches, this will be easier to be stable and provides more support and takes pressure off of the feet. Especially now that the good foot is taking most of the weight. By extra big fir an Amazon I mean make your fingers in the ok sign then spread the index and thumb apart by close to three inches. This size will really support your burd. It might be hard to find a good size like that as undersized perches are the norm I see sold fir medium to large parrots. Crepe myrtle tres are safe to use limbs from. There are other safe wood , but that’s so common here it’s all I use.

Yiu can offer something perfectly flat and solid no wired mesh , but completely flat isn’t as comfortable to their feet as is the really wide perches that just the first joint of tie slightly bends. Perches that they compli clamp with their feet are fine as one of the options, but all birds need a really wide option.

Thanks for the update , glad I could help
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Old 09-02-2020, 05:31 PM
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

She does have some wide perches but here's the odd thing about Gloria. She prefers skinny. When I adopted her, I got the cage she had for 30 years--a dome top cage with 2 skinny brass perches in it. That was it. I took them out and put a java wood, another perch--I believe fir and 2 rope perches in different sizes. In her "new" cage, she prefers the skinny rope perch and likes to sit on the edge of her dish. On the playtop, she likes to sit on the metal rail. She chewed away both ends of the wooden perch on the playtop and sits on the metal support. It's so weird. She seems to prefer them. LOL

The vet commented that she didn't seem in pain during the exam and she said that once the scar tissue forms, it keeps the bones from rubbing together which is what really causes the pain. It's so hard to know what the best thing is to do and my heart just aches trying to figure out what's best for her. If she were younger or more active, I wouldn't hesitate on the surgery but I can't help but wonder if it's worth it to put her through it. I'll talk to the vet tomorrow.
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

Her useing the bowl to rest in made me think of the wide perches, better balance and rest.
When you guys get the xrays it will be interesting what is seen.
It sounds like this new vet is really good.

It’s just awful that this injury took place at a vets office, ugh!!
Thanks for sharing, so many people read this and learn from it
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

I found some large perches on Amazon--1.5 - 2 inch diameter bottlebrush perches and others that looked like half logs--flat on the bottom and rounded on top some of those were 2 - 3 inches wide. I'll be experimenting regardless to see what she likes--something tells me she'll still sit on the dish edge and the skinny rails--34 years of doing so probably just has her used to it. Stubborn old girl.
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

Another update on Gloria:
I spoke to the new vet who finally was able to study the xray done the day of the injury. She said that the xray was done with Gloria standing and she cannot see the knee joint from the angle to assess what she felt with the physical exam. She did say that it looked like her hip might be dislocated though. Basically she needs a full xray from the front done under anesthesia so that's what I'm going to do. It's hard to make an informed decision without having all the info.

In the event that her hip is dislocated, they can bandage it but that has a high failure rate. They can also pin it. If the hip is broken then it requires a plate which she has never done and isn't comfortable doing but there is an orthopedic surgeon in the veterinary hospital upstairs.

This is so emotionally exhausting and my heart just aches for my baby girl. She seems happy but she spends her time either roosting or climbing--not sitting up. I hope we get some definitive answers soon.
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

I’m so sorry! And I can only imagine! I was so afraid it was a dislocation based on the video. Regardless it is a serious injury and I’m so glad you found s better vet. And shame shame on your old vet! A standup radiograph!?!? What the heck!
I hope you both feel better
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Re: Lameness and lethargy after vet visit

Thanks. Have you had experience with surgery for a dislocation? It's a baffling decision to make. Of course much depends on the results of her xray .
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