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Jamisonp 10-13-2020 05:38 PM

Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
I recently took Java (my gcc) to the vet because he had a bit of a sneezing fit and I wanted to make sure he was okay. He had a bit of a rough drive there and back but the vet said he looked great and everything seemed normal other than a slight overgrowth of bacteria in his mouth that he now has antibiotics for. They told me to keep an eye out for more sneezing, being puffed up, and acting abnormally. Here's where I need advice, I'm not sure if I'm just being an overbearing dad (I have had issues with this previously and still struggle) but I feel like he is so puffy! My husband and mom disagree and say he looks normal and that I'm too shook up. I just wanted to get some outside perspective on if he looks puffy or sickly in the pictures I'm going to link. I can't figure out how to actually attach a picture on here so I'm gonna link a tweet with the images I wanted to share. https://twitter.com/Jconurepictures/...399867392?s=19

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Laurasea 10-13-2020 06:15 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Nothing is more scary then then thinking yiur baby us sick. Great job at getting him to tge vet right away!

Make sure no drafts, keep tge home a little warmer if you can. Warmth really helps burds that are sick.

Make sure you don't add vitamins or anything to the water. And keep the water bowl clean and fresh.

Beautiful GCC. I couldn't tell anything in the picture. You can add thumb nail picture by clicking the go advanced button under tge text box, click tge paperclip upload a pic.

A very good thing to be in the habit of, is weighing your bird every week and writing it down. You can buy a digital kitchen scale that weighs in grams. Often weight loss us the first sign something us up.

I use a radiant heat panel, called the sweeter heater, you can find on Amazon. The smallest suze us more than enough, in fact I hang ut on tge outside off to one side and kind of low,. Dont fully cover cage when used so not to hot. Or you can attach to something so you can set it back a half foot from the cage. This isn't something you have to have. But sure comes in handy when a burd is sick, or chills from drafts in cold weather. I live in Florida, I hsve it because AC can be drafty, or winters as our heat doesn't work great.

Live culture yogurt with no artificial sweetners us safe for birds. A half teaspoon is enough. Since your bird is on antibiotics, I would offer every other day. If you are lucky like me, your bird will lick it off your fingers :)

Piasa 10-13-2020 06:15 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Puffed up sleepy behavior/lethargy that is prolonged is the kind of puffed up you'll see from illness. If he's sneezing a lot, or stretching his neck and opening his beak, flicking his head a lot, or rubbing his face - these are all signs of illness -- if he's not eating, or if there's a lot of mucus. If you have a comfortable relation with your vet's office and you are worried, just call and talk to someone there a little. They can give you advice specific to Java.
IMO looking at his photos, he looks alert and happy, but it is so hard to tell over a photo, and birds are good at hiding illness since their lives depend on it. Also remember it takes a couple days of being on an antibiotic to start to feel better.

If Java eats herbs or vegetables, you can give him some extra healthy stuff too. 2 ways to heal illness, you can attack the bad stuff (antibiotics etc) and you can strengthen the good stuff/tonify (feed foods with a little basil or oregano, carrots, leafy greens -- many things help strengthen them).
He will take cues from you, so try to stay calm for him, spend time together. Green cheeks are super tough, and he's got someone who loves him looking out for him :)

Jamisonp 10-13-2020 07:06 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Thank you for the kindess and your advice! I'll ask my husband to pick up some yogurt for him on the way home and I'll look into all the other stuff you suggested as well 🖤
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Originally Posted by Laurasea (Post 891074)
Nothing is more scary then then thinking yiur baby us sick. Great job at getting him to tge vet right away!

Make sure no drafts, keep tge home a little warmer if you can. Warmth really helps burds that are sick.

Make sure you don't add vitamins or anything to the water. And keep the water bowl clean and fresh.

Beautiful GCC. I couldn't tell anything in the picture. You can add thumb nail picture by clicking the go advanced button under tge text box, click tge paperclip upload a pic.

A very good thing to be in the habit of, is weighing your bird every week and writing it down. You can buy a digital kitchen scale that weighs in grams. Often weight loss us the first sign something us up.

I use a radiant heat panel, called the sweeter heater, you can find on Amazon. The smallest suze us more than enough, in fact I hang ut on tge outside off to one side and kind of low,. Dont fully cover cage when used so not to hot. Or you can attach to something so you can set it back a half foot from the cage. This isn't something you have to have. But sure comes in handy when a burd is sick, or chills from drafts in cold weather. I live in Florida, I hsve it because AC can be drafty, or winters as our heat doesn't work great.

Live culture yogurt with no artificial sweetners us safe for birds. A half teaspoon is enough. Since your bird is on antibiotics, I would offer every other day. If you are lucky like me, your bird will lick it off your fingers :)


Jamisonp 10-13-2020 07:11 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
He does seem a little extra tired and he was rubbing his face quite a bit earlier but I think it was related to stress from the car ride :( I'll make sure to keep an eye out for all of those things good news is he's been eating and drinking normally. He usually loves eating fresh fruits but struggles with veggies and herbs but we'll give it a shot again. Thank you for your advice and help!
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Originally Posted by Piasa (Post 891075)
Puffed up sleepy behavior/lethargy that is prolonged is the kind of puffed up you'll see from illness. If he's sneezing a lot, or stretching his neck and opening his beak, flicking his head a lot, or rubbing his face - these are all signs of illness -- if he's not eating, or if there's a lot of mucus. If you have a comfortable relation with your vet's office and you are worried, just call and talk to someone there a little. They can give you advice specific to Java.
IMO looking at his photos, he looks alert and happy, but it is so hard to tell over a photo, and birds are good at hiding illness since their lives depend on it. Also remember it takes a couple days of being on an antibiotic to start to feel better.

If Java eats herbs or vegetables, you can give him some extra healthy stuff too. 2 ways to heal illness, you can attack the bad stuff (antibiotics etc) and you can strengthen the good stuff/tonify (feed foods with a little basil or oregano, carrots, leafy greens -- many things help strengthen them).
He will take cues from you, so try to stay calm for him, spend time together. Green cheeks are super tough, and he's got someone who loves him looking out for him :)


Scott 10-13-2020 11:11 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Java looks great, but birds are masters of disguise as prey animals. Thankfully you were attentive and noticed subtle changes in addition to sneezing. I'd guess the vet prescribed a broad-spectrum antibiotic, so if properly diagnosed the sneezing should soon stop.

wrench13 10-14-2020 06:21 AM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
He looks OK to me, but really, as previously stated by some of our most experienced members, that is not how to detect illness in parrots. I would strongly recommend getting a digital kitchen scale, they are relatively cheap on amazon, and some come with a perch that goes on top. Less than $40. Get in the habit of weighing him 2-3X a week or more and record the weight. Parrots can very thier weight a little on a day to day basis, but if you find a weight loss of more than 5% or so or a steady decline, there will be something wrong. Its important to weigh at the same time every day, best is after he has had his big morning poop, but before you give him breakfast. That way you will know his true weight and can spot any change easily.

noodles123 10-14-2020 06:25 AM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Did the vet do a gram-stain as well?

How long is your antibiotic course? Mine usually had me bring her back for a re-check. If you weigh daily, you WILL see some fluctuation, so try not to worry too much if you do-- it's important to know how much your usually fluctuates, so you might as your vet (if you have a lot of weights on file)

It is smart of you to be paranoid, because they do hide illness. Ask your vet if you can text pictures

Jamisonp 10-17-2020 10:04 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
Thank you everyone for the advice and for the feedback on the pictures. I know that just looking at a bird really isn't a great way to tell if they're sick or not just I was just so on edge and genuinely thought he looked so raggedy and sick and I just wanted everyone's thoughts. I'm not so high strung about him being sick now my anxiety has come down over the past few days. He's had a sneeze here or there but nothing crazy and no discharge. As far as the vet appointment went I have no clue if they did a gram-stain for him or not, pretty much all I got from the vet was that he looked really healthy, is a healthy weight, and that they did a slide for the bacteria in his mouth and that he had a little too much of one kind and that it might be irritating his nose because of it. He said that he could go 50/50 on if he needed the antibiotics ( it's enrofloxacin btw) or not and that I should give it a day or two and if I was still concerned to go ahead and start them. Today is his third day out of two weeks on them and it's been a bit of a struggle because he's scared of the syringe and doesn't like the taste of the meds. I tried mixing it with some baby food today and he actually liked it and took it so I think we'll continue doing that! Unfortunately I'm not super close with this vet and if I call with questions they get a little annoyed �� also I apologise if this isn't the proper way to respond to everyone, I'm not very good at this whole forum thing

noodles123 10-17-2020 10:49 PM

Re: Sickly or am I paranoid? (Advice needed)
 
You need a vet that will talk to you...and I mean it....I assume your vet did tests to determine that there was a bacterial infection, but you are owed more than what you have been given...Also, you should make it a point to inquire each time..


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