Sick Amazon

smwboxer · Feb 27, 2021

Trying here as we have no avian vets and so far other vets have been useless.

Have a yellow head that’s a little over a year old. In the past month or so, she has developed green diarrhea, depressed appetite, lethargy and weight loss. She has been put on two different antibiotics with no improvement. Today I managed to get some Ivermectin to add to her water and hoping that might be it. I’m in the middle of nowhere in Mexico so pretty much all alone trying to figure this out. Any ideas of what else to try if the Ivermectin does not turn things around?

Laurasea · Feb 27, 2021

there is an international vet consultation, where your vet, talks to expert in the feild... not sure what it's called...

I'm dealing with an outbreak of suspected chlamydia, which takes a 45 day treatment, and you can have relapse. Which mine did, so we are back on treatment.

So some infections do need along treatment or can relapse.

You can get a yeast overgrowth or fungal infections after antibiotics. I feel a little yogurt with live culture, can help some. If it's a minor imbalance of yeast.

Because of covid, many avain vets around tge world are doing video consultation. Its worth looking into.
I wish i could help more.

This talks about chlamydia, a fairly common infection, csn cause eye issues, nasal issue, green urine, weight loss. Anazins and all species of parrot and birds can get this. Nit sure why suther singles out a few species .
Chlamydia in parrots and birds
Clinical signs of chlamydiosis are quite variable and can range from sudden death in apparently healthy birds, to simply showing a lack of energy. Often birds show signs of psittacosis like conjunctivitis, respiratory, liver or intestinal disease. These may include any of the following: lethargy, depression, 'fluffed' feathers, depression, loss of appetite, weight loss, diarrhoea, biliverdinuria (green droppings due to bile pigments), laboured respiration, eye discharge, seizures or neurological symptoms. Some birds may show feather colour change (green to yellow or grey to black). Others parrots with chlamydia may chew at their feathers or bodies, possibly due to discomfort associated with internal organ damage.
https://www.birdclinic.net/avian5.htm

https://www.littlecrittersvet.com/sick-birds.pml

smwboxer · Feb 27, 2021

Laurasea said:
there is an international vet consultation, where your vet, talks to expert in the feild... not sure what it's called...

I'm dealing with an outbreak of suspected chlamydia, which takes a 45 day treatment, and you can have relapse. Which mine did, so we are back on treatment.

So some infections do need along treatment or can relapse.

You can get a yeast overgrowth or fungal infections after antibiotics. I feel a little yogurt with live culture, can help some. If it's a minor imbalance of yeast.

Because of covid, many avain vets around tge world are doing video consultation. Its worth looking into.
I wish i could help more.

This talks about chlamydia, a fairly common infection, csn cause eye issues, nasal issue, green urine, weight loss. Anazins and all species of parrot and birds can get this. Nit sure why suther singles out a few species .
Chlamydia in parrots and birds
Clinical signs of chlamydiosis are quite variable and can range from sudden death in apparently healthy birds, to simply showing a lack of energy. Often birds show signs of psittacosis like conjunctivitis, respiratory, liver or intestinal disease. These may include any of the following: lethargy, depression, 'fluffed' feathers, depression, loss of appetite, weight loss, diarrhoea, biliverdinuria (green droppings due to bile pigments), laboured respiration, eye discharge, seizures or neurological symptoms. Some birds may show feather colour change (green to yellow or grey to black). Others parrots with chlamydia may chew at their feathers or bodies, possibly due to discomfort associated with internal organ damage.
https://www.birdclinic.net/avian5.htm

https://www.littlecrittersvet.com/sick-birds.pml

That is what makes this frustrating, zero respiratory, eye or nasal issues at all. Happily, I did find a new vet who practices nearby who runs his practice with his brother who is a veterinary student at the University of Guadalajara. They are the first that have showed a genuine interest in figuring this out. Started a couple new meds today and will follow up with them on Tuesday.

SailBoat · Feb 27, 2021

Happy that you have found a nearby Vet!

With hope they will be able to define the illness and help!

Laurasea · Feb 27, 2021

FYI
I have 7 burds sick with this, all have different symptoms. 1 burd just green urine and weight loss, one just weight loss, 1 with sinus swelling no discharge, one had discharge but no swelling...

So you can't know in symptoms alone, for any infection.

Green urine is pretty classic i
For chlamydia. ( not saying thsts what's going on, just sharing)
https://brookfallsveterinary.com/pet-library/bird-articles/abnormal-droppings/

This is pigeons, but is do great talking about poops and stuff, it does have graphic pictures if dead bird, and internal organs. So be warned sensitive viewers. Really worth a read.
https://www.auspigeonco.com.au/dropping-interpretation.html

smwboxer · Mar 2, 2021

Laurasea said:
there is an international vet consultation, where your vet, talks to expert in the feild... not sure what it's called...

I'm dealing with an outbreak of suspected chlamydia, which takes a 45 day treatment, and you can have relapse. Which mine did, so we are back on treatment.

So some infections do need along treatment or can relapse.

You can get a yeast overgrowth or fungal infections after antibiotics. I feel a little yogurt with live culture, can help some. If it's a minor imbalance of yeast.

Because of covid, many avain vets around tge world are doing video consultation. Its worth looking into.
I wish i could help more.

This talks about chlamydia, a fairly common infection, csn cause eye issues, nasal issue, green urine, weight loss. Anazins and all species of parrot and birds can get this. Nit sure why suther singles out a few species .
Chlamydia in parrots and birds
Clinical signs of chlamydiosis are quite variable and can range from sudden death in apparently healthy birds, to simply showing a lack of energy. Often birds show signs of psittacosis like conjunctivitis, respiratory, liver or intestinal disease. These may include any of the following: lethargy, depression, 'fluffed' feathers, depression, loss of appetite, weight loss, diarrhoea, biliverdinuria (green droppings due to bile pigments), laboured respiration, eye discharge, seizures or neurological symptoms. Some birds may show feather colour change (green to yellow or grey to black). Others parrots with chlamydia may chew at their feathers or bodies, possibly due to discomfort associated with internal organ damage.
https://www.birdclinic.net/avian5.htm

https://www.littlecrittersvet.com/sick-birds.pml[/QUOTE

So it seemed like regular antibiotics were not doing the trick. Was able to get Doxycycline to treat for possible chlamydia. Sadly, only tablets. He said to crush 1/2 into water and administer with the syringe. I believe he said once a day. Sound right to you? Also started micostatin and go probiotics (for dogs but better than nothing).

Laurasea · Mar 2, 2021

I think yogurt with Acidophilus works as a probiotic at least for me.

Doxy can be mixed in water. I'm not a vet so I don't know the milligrams to water ratio, or dose needed for your size bird. Once a day is correct. Tho not considered ideal, there us a dose to water ratio and you serve as their drinking water. My vet had me switch to thst as I was having issues.

I am not familiar with Micostatin , so can't advise.

I had to do supplemental feeding by syringe of baby bird formula for my sickest not eating bird. She took on her own and I was very careful.

Keeping a sick bird warm is important. As us cleaning everything, every single day, to prevent re infection.

People can catch, in people its called parrot fever. Seek a doctor with any fever, flu symptoms, eye symptoms ect.

smwboxer · Mar 2, 2021

Laurasea said:
I think yogurt with Acidophilus works as a probiotic at least for me.

Doxy can be mixed in water. I'm not a vet so I don't know the milligrams to water ratio, or dose needed for your size bird. Once a day is correct. Tho not considered ideal, there us a dose to water ratio and you serve as their drinking water. My vet had me switch to thst as I was having issues.

I am not familiar with Micostatin , so can't advise.

I had to do supplemental feeding by syringe of baby bird formula for my sickest not eating bird. She took on her own and I was very careful.

Keeping a sick bird warm is important. As us cleaning everything, every single day, to prevent re infection.

People can catch, in people its called parrot fever. Seek a doctor with any fever, flu symptoms, eye symptoms ect.

Mycostatin is just the generic form of of Nystatin. The Brand name was not available. Treating all the birds since thy are together a lot and happily one will eat an apple piece that has the ground up pill coating it. Hopefully the others will too in the morning when the usually get their apple treat. The sickest bird is munching away on apples and blueberries but not nearly enough pellets and other fruits and veggies. Keeping my fingers crossed that after three weeks, this will be the magic pill. I’m in dire need of a worry free nights sleep! BTW, I suspect the older mealy is the carrier as she has shown no illness at all.

SailBoat · Mar 3, 2021

Another medical source can be your local 'large Animal' Vet.

As stated above near all Vets now have video available.

smwboxer · Mar 6, 2021

Got it figured out and it was chlamydia. In the end my red lored also came down with it. Have them on antibiotics for the next 40 days or so and just finished up medicating for yeast. Giving them probiotics in their water. Both are back to eating like the pig that Amazon’s are and active again.

Littleredbeak · Mar 6, 2021

Oh man! What are the odds both memembers flicks have chlamydia!!!!

Laurasea · Mar 6, 2021

Chlamydia is very very contagious so all birds in the same house should be treated.

Oh my bad you ment me and him!!
It sucks. But it a very common infection. It can go dormant and hid in liver or spleen and the bird won't test positive for it. Then years latter a bird can break with an active infection.. I think odds are high that most parrots have been exposed, done clear it and some become chronic

noodles123 · Mar 7, 2021

Yes-- a bird can carry it and reinfect others without obvious symptoms, or take a sudden turn for the worse after seeming healthy. You will definitely want to treat them all with a full course of antibiotics.

smwboxer · Mar 9, 2021

noodles123 said:
Yes-- a bird can carry it and reinfect others without obvious symptoms, or take a sudden turn for the worse after seeming healthy. You will definitely want to treat them all with a full course of antibiotics.

Yea, I have a feeling my older Mealy is the carrier. He is the only one that did not get ill. Since I can only get the medication in pill form, I’m crushing it to a powder and sprinkling on their morning veggies and treating everyone. Happily, Amazons being Amazons, they scarf it all down.

wrench13 · Mar 9, 2021

The only problem with doing it like that is you never know the exact dosage they consume.

smwboxer · Mar 9, 2021

wrench13 said:
The only problem with doing it like that is you never know the exact dosage they consume.

Best I can do with the circumstances I have down here. Everyone is feeling better so I will stick with it until mid-April and hope for the best.

wrench13 · Mar 10, 2021

Good man! Most folks say "Hey he's feeling better", and discontinue the treatment. Always go the full course of medications. Hope Fred continues his recovery, I have a soft spot for DYH's.

smwboxer · Mar 11, 2021

wrench13 said:
Good man! Most folks say "Hey he's feeling better", and discontinue the treatment. Always go the full course of medications. Hope Fred continues his recovery, I have a soft spot for DYH's.

Acting like a fool today so he’s getting back to normal. Never thought I’d miss his constant chatter and random outburst. Now I cherish them.

Laurasea · Mar 11, 2021

yippee!!! Good update!!

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