Language Experiments with Birds!

008kenichijouji

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Okay, so I get to thinking of random questions...and then I try to approach them scientifically and think of how I could observe and experiment.... I'm not too sure how much merit my weird thoughts truly have, or what good they'd do, but here's my latest thinking.

I'm a fan of all parrots, my favorites being macaws, but the African Grays just get me with their special talents. I've read the stuff on Alex and a couple of other especially gifted ones, and I just loved the research and results they'd found on these little fellas.

I'm only a native speaker of English, but I learned enough Latin to be proficient, and the same goes with Japanese (I'm better at Japanese than Latin but...). Took some Mandarin too, and am taking in a bit of Korean and Cantonese as well, but...life takes a big chunk out of my learning time. :p However, I still consider myself to be somewhat of a polyglot. :)

Anyway, I got to thinking....have there been any experiments or is there currently any research on how African Grays can handle multiple languages, while maintaining the understanding of phrases? Also, I wonder if it is possible that AG's learn one of our human languages better than others, and why?

Reason I got to thinking this is because I was looking at videos of African Grays owned by people in other countries, and the Japanese-speaking ones didn't sound as clear/coherent as their English-speaking relatives. My boyfriend is Chinese and is a native Cantonese speaker, and he noted that the tones for the Cantonese-speaking Grays are slightly off, which surprised me because generally, don't they mimic sounds rather well? Cantonese is very difficult to pick up because of how many tones there are, and a word's meaning is wholly dependent on what tones one uses... I wonder if all the tones are harder for the birds to pick up, whereas in English, we don't rely on that sort of thing.

I dunno, just something to think about... If anyone knows of anything related to this, please post! I would like to adopt a Gray anyway, but I'd be very curious to have some language experiments going on... Between my boyfriend and I, we'd have a few languages being spoken to test with. Haha.
 

cnyguy

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It's possible that the variations in tones in Cantonese may be too subtle for a Grey to imitate precisely. I know of multi-lingual parrots of several types, but they speak French, Spanish and Italian in addition to English. Could be that these languages are simpler for a parrot to imitate.
 
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008kenichijouji

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'd never thought of it before watching videos on Youtube!
 

Aquila

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It's hard comparing the tones and inflection of a language like Mandarin, in the comprehension level of an adult and a parrot who's intelligence level is that of a child. Compare a child's intonation and inflection with that of a 4 or 5 year old and it'd probably be about right.
 

lotosha

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Okay, so I get to thinking of random questions...and then I try to approach them scientifically and think of how I could observe and experiment.... I'm not too sure how much merit my weird thoughts truly have, or what good they'd do, but here's my latest thinking.

I'm a fan of all parrots, my favorites being macaws, but the African Grays just get me with their special talents. I've read the stuff on Alex and a couple of other especially gifted ones, and I just loved the research and results they'd found on these little fellas.

I'm only a native speaker of English, but I learned enough Latin to be proficient, and the same goes with Japanese (I'm better at Japanese than Latin but...). Took some Mandarin too, and am taking in a bit of Korean and Cantonese as well, but...life takes a big chunk out of my learning time. :p However, I still consider myself to be somewhat of a polyglot. :)

Anyway, I got to thinking....have there been any experiments or is there currently any research on how African Grays can handle multiple languages, while maintaining the understanding of phrases? Also, I wonder if it is possible that AG's learn one of our human languages better than others, and why?

Reason I got to thinking this is because I was looking at videos of African Grays owned by people in other countries, and the Japanese-speaking ones didn't sound as clear/coherent as their English-speaking relatives. My boyfriend is Chinese and is a native Cantonese speaker, and he noted that the tones for the Cantonese-speaking Grays are slightly off, which surprised me because generally, don't they mimic sounds rather well? Cantonese is very difficult to pick up because of how many tones there are, and a word's meaning is wholly dependent on what tones one uses... I wonder if all the tones are harder for the birds to pick up, whereas in English, we don't rely on that sort of thing.

I dunno, just something to think about... If anyone knows of anything related to this, please post! I would like to adopt a Gray anyway, but I'd be very curious to have some language experiments going on... Between my boyfriend and I, we'd have a few languages being spoken to test with. Haha.

If my AG will ever talk I'll be able to let you an answer to that question. We speak 3 languages at home.
 

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Hello, After living with my wife's grey I would believe any test is reasonable. After all he can say the same sentence in either my wife's or my voice. He apparently has reasoned out the meaning we attach to the personal pronoun " I ". All he has ever herd is " Want to come out ?' He has begun to say " I want to come out ". The first few time Barb thought it was her imagination. He will not talk to me but from another room he will call " Donald " if I respond he will try to teach me to make noises. D.D.
 

JerseyWendy

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Hello, After living with my wife's grey I would believe any test is reasonable. After all he can say the same sentence in either my wife's or my voice. He apparently has reasoned out the meaning we attach to the personal pronoun " I ". All he has ever herd is " Want to come out ?' He has begun to say " I want to come out ". The first few time Barb thought it was her imagination. He will not talk to me but from another room he will call " Donald " if I respond he will try to teach me to make noises. D.D.

Wow, you've been really digging up some ANCIENT threads around here. :eek:
 

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