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Old 02-01-2015, 06:11 PM
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Clicker training seems to bode well with my Kakariki as she is less fearful and loves her treats. She still wont let me take her out of the cage yet though.

I don't even know where to begin with clicker training my Turquoisine. He's a tiny little terrified bird hehe. I usually just catch him and pet him on occassion to get him used to my hands. The only success I have is extending millet out to him and he waits a few mins and then takes a bite even if im poking him literally in the face with it, he gets that scared to touch it lol. but yea these methods are helpful and I do feel that they work, SLOWLY, but effectively.

I need some training on patience for myself... hehe sometimes I get frustrated cause it's been almost 2 months now and I haven't made much progress but I guess it is what it is.
The method as presented her is almost exactly the way that I proceed with my birds. I works and does not stress the bird because the bird decides when it is ready to proceed further and it builds trust for the same reason.

It appears to me that your own lack of patience is the primary factor preventing the progress that you would like to have. There is a big difference between poking a bird to get a response from it and offering your hand, a perch or a treat and waiting for the birds response. The first is a form of flooding and will backfire on you as it is not conducive to trust, whereas the second builds trusts and then allows you to build on that trust.

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It was rhetoric. I'm not sitting there poking a bird over and over again; that even contradicts my statements that I am unable to have contact with him without scaring him because that would scare him. I just mean it'll be basically staring him in the face and he still gets nervous to move and bite it.

My comment about me needing to train myself paitence was also a partial joke hence my "hehe"ing. I'm pointing out that it can be a frustrating process because it is timely with slow results.

My patience is not the "primary" factor causing my bird to avoid me. It was the fact that he was over a year old and never handled before in his life and the fact that he is typically an aviary bird and not the pet type. I use clicker training successfully, I don't get angry or flustered or "flood" any of my birds. I wouldnt want to encourage anyone to do that, it really does nothing but worsen the situation I've had birds for 10 years I would never force a bird to do anything, they just feel more disconnect than trust that way . If I am feeling any frustration I never show it to them either because it will make a bird anxious. I can stay calm with my hand in a cage for over an hour just to get them adjusted to it even though it hurts and can be frustrating afterwards if the bird only makes one step. But its still a step so it's progress even if a tiny amount. My overall point is that in doing these things the bird will build trust, but it takes time. Frustration and impatience are a normal response to have when things feel slow, (I am only human after all,) but it is important to keep those feelings under wraps during the actual training sessions.

2 months is also a short amount of time to move to a new home with a different cage mate and be having your cage entered by a human wanting to be near you. It's overwhelming. 2 months in this case is very realistic for never handled adult birds. It's going to take him months and I knew that from the getgo when I acquired him from the breeder. He's come a long way since I got him but it may not seem like much. I wouldn't want anyone to have unrealistic time expectations about training a wild bird. Nor would I want people to flood their birds or make them stressed as they feel your emotions. I would like to be clear that is not what I am doing with any bird. It's just how I sometimes feel after training sessions. It is most certainly worth the waiting though. There is nothing more rewarding when you've put lots of time and effort into training and a bird makes another milestone step no matter how small it might seem to others. Progress is progress!
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Re: Tips for Bonding and Building Trust

Each bird is different. I had Bluey stepping up by day 3. But it took a bit longer to get him to step up and stay on my hand about a week and a half. I didn't stick my hand in the cage during this process. The cage is their territory and their one safe place.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:57 AM
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Each bird is different. I had Bluey stepping up by day 3. But it took a bit longer to get him to step up and stay on my hand about a week and a half. I didn't stick my hand in the cage during this process. The cage is their territory and their one safe place.
Has you said Progress is progress.
Yea it depends on the personality I think too. My one bird was super curious about everything (as the breed is actually known to be) and became trusting very quickly. The little guy was more timid but it was good for him to observe my interaction with the more trusting bird, it helped him relax a bit.
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Re: Tips for Bonding and Building Trust

thanks for this tips i hope i can do this
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Re: Tips for Bonding and Building Trust

great work , but its not work with kiwi , he still afread and scared every time i be near his cage , but for now he eat when i am near , but if he saw me there near the cage he just change his place

also when he saw my hand in cage he be like a crazy , for now he is with me since 1 week , and still not accept me or any new food love apple - sunflower - strawberry
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