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Old 03-22-2017, 06:24 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

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Sounds great! As for dealing with a private server - better you than me, haha

CMS-wise, I'd go for either Wordpress or some kind of wiki system. Both will offer you the ability to restrict editing privileges to registered users (whose registration you can moderate).

Keep in mind also that Wikipedia, for example, works even though literally anyone can edit it. This is possible because there are many volunteers who keep an eye on new edits, and can revert anything that isn't up to standard.

If you pick a system that enables easy server migration (Wordpress should good for this, I have less experience with wikis though), you can start getting the content up now, and transfer it later on to whichever final server you choose.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:44 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

I am tapped out at the moment. Between gearing up for surgery for my youngest kid, regular day to day medical issues with both the oldest and youngest, Leo being sick, and my postpartum depression and maternal mood disorders support group (2400 depressed women tend to take up a lot of one's time), I'm out of time and out of money. I would like to stay in the loop so that when things do calm down a little bit, I can help you.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:45 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

There's not much I can do to help financially but I'll try to pitch in a few dollars here and there whenever I have some pocket cash.

I can help with art/logos/whatever if needed though. I could draw silly little comics to draw people in I have all the Adobe programs so I have a lot of tools for whatever you need.

One this gets going you should look into getting merchandise so people can advertise by simply wearing something or what not. Some car stickers / magnets, shirts, hats, pins, etc.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:51 PM
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Oh, and I would buy a hoodie for fundraising purposes.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:51 PM
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Beatrice, you just hang in there! Your job is taking care of your flock right now.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:52 PM
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I'm so sorry for saying anything about the money, if it is a problem I might say something. I've gotten some input about different approaches, and there might be some less expensive ways to go. So far I'm out 12 bucks for the domain name, with a free blog, and 30 bucks for the paperwork, which is nothing. What's important is the content. Cartoons, articles, curated links, those are things I can't do. Thank you all for the offers of support. I don't want to take over the Parrotforums with discussions, so there's a social group, and anyone who wants to talk offline send a PM.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Owlet View Post
There's not much I can do to help financially but I'll try to pitch in a few dollars here and there whenever I have some pocket cash.

I can help with art/logos/whatever if needed though. I could draw silly little comics to draw people in I have all the Adobe programs so I have a lot of tools for whatever you need.

One this gets going you should look into getting merchandise so people can advertise by simply wearing something or what not. Some car stickers / magnets, shirts, hats, pins, etc.
I love the idea of a comic, and you are spot on with the free or inexpensive merch. Anything to get the message across. I know of CafePress for on-demand printed logo items. Are there others, cheaper or better?
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:11 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

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Keep in mind also that Wikipedia, for example, works even though literally anyone can edit it. This is possible because there are many volunteers who keep an eye on new edits, and can revert anything that isn't up to standard.
There are a lot of smaller wikis that also work, however if you're concerned about standards, MediaWiki software allows you to limit who can edit pages. You could, for example, restrict new users to editing their user pages. Alternatively, you can make it so that new users' edits don't show up until they've been approved by a reviewer. The English Wikipedia doesn't use that option for many articles, possibly for any anymore, but the software has that capability.

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If you pick a system that enables easy server migration (Wordpress should good for this, I have less experience with wikis though), you can start getting the content up now, and transfer it later on to whichever final server you choose.
A MediaWiki-based site should be just as easy to migrate servers on as a WordPress site. And WordPress is a blogging software. There's a lot of blogs out there already, and they're much less friendly to navigate than a well-managed wiki is. One of the advantages of a wiki, which I assumed Kentuckienne was trying to take advantage of, is that you can have single articles on a topic written by multiple people and edited by others. You could do this with WordPress, but it would be a lot more difficult, and still look like a blog.

Basically, if you have a wiki, you can have one article on "sun conures," or "feather plucking," and users can type it in and get the sum-total of the contributor base's knowledge on the subject. If it gets too long, the article would be trimmed, so you might have further articles might talk link to "breeding Aratinga spp. conures" or "feather plucking on cockatoos." It's dynamic, and ensures that a user doesn't have to read too much at once to find what they're looking for, and can easily delve deeper into the subject they're looking for.

Compare this with a blog, which is basically a collection of articles. If you tag things properly, you should have a list of articles that mention feather plucking but no single one which serves as a good starting point. It's probably written by one person, and even if it's a collaboration between say someone who runs a rescue and an avian vet, you may find that our knowledge of feather plucking has changed significantly in five years (not likely with sun conures, but quiet likely on health and diet related topics), or you may find that the people who wrote the article shared a perspective which is no longer in vogue, requiring a followup article. There were plenty of blogs before Wikipedia, but there's a reason Wikipedia is probably the the go-to-source on any given topic for a plurality of English-speaking internet users.

If you want a blog and a wiki, it's very easy to have distinct sections of the site, for example putting the wiki at wikibeaks.org/wiki/ as Wikipedia does. (Though Wikipedia actually does this unnecessarily, since en.wikipedia.org redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, and some sites which are solely wikis don't bother with it.)
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:39 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

Love this! Sorry I am so far away!!!
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:23 PM
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Re: WikiBeaks is go!

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Quote: Originally Posted by israel_gcc View Post
Keep in mind also that Wikipedia, for example, works even though literally anyone can edit it. This is possible because there are many volunteers who keep an eye on new edits, and can revert anything that isn't up to standard.
There are a lot of smaller wikis that also work, however if you're concerned about standards, MediaWiki software allows you to limit who can edit pages. You could, for example, restrict new users to editing their user pages. Alternatively, you can make it so that new users' edits don't show up until they've been approved by a reviewer. The English Wikipedia doesn't use that option for many articles, possibly for any anymore, but the software has that capability.

Quote: Originally Posted by israel_gcc View Post
If you pick a system that enables easy server migration (Wordpress should good for this, I have less experience with wikis though), you can start getting the content up now, and transfer it later on to whichever final server you choose.
A MediaWiki-based site should be just as easy to migrate servers on as a WordPress site. And WordPress is a blogging software. There's a lot of blogs out there already, and they're much less friendly to navigate than a well-managed wiki is. One of the advantages of a wiki, which I assumed Kentuckienne was trying to take advantage of, is that you can have single articles on a topic written by multiple people and edited by others. You could do this with WordPress, but it would be a lot more difficult, and still look like a blog.

Basically, if you have a wiki, you can have one article on "sun conures," or "feather plucking," and users can type it in and get the sum-total of the contributor base's knowledge on the subject. If it gets too long, the article would be trimmed, so you might have further articles might talk link to "breeding Aratinga spp. conures" or "feather plucking on cockatoos." It's dynamic, and ensures that a user doesn't have to read too much at once to find what they're looking for, and can easily delve deeper into the subject they're looking for.

Compare this with a blog, which is basically a collection of articles. If you tag things properly, you should have a list of articles that mention feather plucking but no single one which serves as a good starting point. It's probably written by one person, and even if it's a collaboration between say someone who runs a rescue and an avian vet, you may find that our knowledge of feather plucking has changed significantly in five years (not likely with sun conures, but quiet likely on health and diet related topics), or you may find that the people who wrote the article shared a perspective which is no longer in vogue, requiring a followup article. There were plenty of blogs before Wikipedia, but there's a reason Wikipedia is probably the the go-to-source on any given topic for a plurality of English-speaking internet users.

If you want a blog and a wiki, it's very easy to have distinct sections of the site, for example putting the wiki at wikibeaks.org/wiki/ as Wikipedia does. (Though Wikipedia actually does this unnecessarily, since en.wikipedia.org redirects to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, and some sites which are solely wikis don't bother with it.)
This is what's wonderful about collaboration - so much variety of information. I am going to focus on getting the paperwork right for the organization. I'll be coming back to take names. Think about what you might enjoy - EllenD, you write so wonderfully about the gravity of parrot ownership. SilverSage really understands the ethics of breeding and knows some of the dark places that need light. Sailboat is the parrot whisperer and can speak so eloquently for the victims of the human-parrot collision. Oliver is an artist. Gavagai just told me more about possible structures than I imagined. I like the idea of a curated, moderated wiki. I don't know all the orgchart stuff yet, but we will need volunteers for a board of directors, treasurer...who wants to be on that side?

People who have done this type of organizing before, any pointers or advice? NOLO Press has an eBook on the subject and much is online. It will be simple at first and grow as needed. All this is just to support the real work: saving the lives, hearts, minds and souls of parrots.
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