Two quick questions

Vilatus · Jun 15, 2018

Hi everybody!

Just a couple questions.

One, is "poop-off" safe on woods? I'd like to use it to scrub poop off of my bird's java tree base.

Two, I bought puppy pee pads to use for my birds trays. They have a "fresh scent" put into the pads. Is it safe for my birds to come into contact with these? They are AKC brand. (Say if they were to walk across them)

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EllenD · Jun 15, 2018

First of all...NOOOOO PEE PADS!!!! NO! REMOVE THEM IMMEDIATELY!!

They have something inside them, I don't know what, but I know of several people who were not aware of this and their birds have chewed them and died!!! Get them out of there if you've put them in, if not then just return them! Just use either newspapers or paper towels in the bottom of your bird's cages, no need for bedding or anything else, but definitely not the pee pads!!!

As far as the "Poop-Off", if you're talking about the kind you buy at Petco in the big white bottle with the scrubby thing on the top of it, then yes, you can use it on pretty much anything, it's made from natural enzymes (natural plant product) and it works pretty well, and I've not had it hurt any furniture at all...

I'm glad you asked about the pee-pads, I distinctly remember someone on this forum having a necropsy done on their young bird who had suddenly died shortly after they had brought it home, and they found the pee-pad material inside him, blocking his intestines. The same happens with any type of bedding, like corn-cob bedding, or crushed walnut shells, etc. They're all death-traps for birds and for reptiles, they chew on them and ingest them, and it never ends well. But the pee-pads also contain some kind of stuff in between the liner that is toxic to birds and rodents who chew on them...So big no-no...

Vilatus · Jun 15, 2018

EllenD said:
First of all...NOOOOO PEE PADS!!!! NO! REMOVE THEM IMMEDIATELY!!

They have something inside them, I don't know what, but I know of several people who were not aware of this and their birds have chewed them and died!!! Get them out of there if you've put them in, if not then just return them! Just use either newspapers or paper towels in the bottom of your bird's cages, no need for bedding or anything else, but definitely not the pee pads!!!

As far as the "Poop-Off", if you're talking about the kind you buy at Petco in the big white bottle with the scrubby thing on the top of it, then yes, you can use it on pretty much anything, it's made from natural enzymes (natural plant product) and it works pretty well, and I've not had it hurt any furniture at all...

I'm glad you asked about the pee-pads, I distinctly remember someone on this forum having a necropsy done on their young bird who had suddenly died shortly after they had brought it home, and they found the pee-pad material inside him, blocking his intestines. The same happens with any type of bedding, like corn-cob bedding, or crushed walnut shells, etc. They're all death-traps for birds and for reptiles, they chew on them and ingest them, and it never ends well. But the pee-pads also contain some kind of stuff in between the liner that is toxic to birds and rodents who chew on them...So big no-no...

Thank you for telling me about the pee pads!! I'll take them out immediately and replace them with newspaper. If it makes you feel any better my birds haven't had access to chew them, I had them folded neatly in the tray so that they couldn't do so!

Ok, lovely... no damage to even dyed fabrics? We have the occasional couch accident.

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EllenD · Jun 15, 2018

Something else, you mentioned that the pee-pads have a "fresh-scent"...this is another thing that you must avoid all the time. You can no-longer buy ANYTHING that has any type of added "scents". Nothing. No candles, no room sprays, no incense, no cleaners, no oil diffusers, etc. Same thing with anything that contains Teflon, like your pots and pans, if you have pots and pans that are the black, non-stick Teflon coated kind, you can no longer use them at all, you have to get rid of them and buy either ceramic non-stick ones, or use cast-iron ones. Some space heaters, blow-dryers, air purifiers, etc. also contain Teflon or a coating inside that emits the same fumes that the non-stick pans do, and it instantly kills birds...and I mean instantly. You can't smell the fumes that the non-stick pots and pans release, but I believe it's when any pot or pan, including non-stick baking pans, hit 400 degrees F or hotter, they release lethal fumes that instantly kill birds, and there's nothing you can do when it happens.

As far as anything that is "scented", birds are extremely sensitive to most-all scents and can become extremely sick and die quickly just from a scented candle burning or you using a scented cleaner. So even though you can't use ANY type of pee-pad in the bottom of their cages, regardless of whether it's scented or not, the "Fresh Scent" is just a double-whammy. You have to start cleaning with either natural cleaners with no scent, like the ones that are clear and made from plant products, or just start using a mix of white vinegar and water to clean with. No carpet powders, no scented floor cleaners or all-purpose cleaners, etc.

EllenD · Jun 15, 2018

Ziel said:
EllenD said:

First of all...NOOOOO PEE PADS!!!! NO! REMOVE THEM IMMEDIATELY!!

They have something inside them, I don't know what, but I know of several people who were not aware of this and their birds have chewed them and died!!! Get them out of there if you've put them in, if not then just return them! Just use either newspapers or paper towels in the bottom of your bird's cages, no need for bedding or anything else, but definitely not the pee pads!!!

As far as the "Poop-Off", if you're talking about the kind you buy at Petco in the big white bottle with the scrubby thing on the top of it, then yes, you can use it on pretty much anything, it's made from natural enzymes (natural plant product) and it works pretty well, and I've not had it hurt any furniture at all...

I'm glad you asked about the pee-pads, I distinctly remember someone on this forum having a necropsy done on their young bird who had suddenly died shortly after they had brought it home, and they found the pee-pad material inside him, blocking his intestines. The same happens with any type of bedding, like corn-cob bedding, or crushed walnut shells, etc. They're all death-traps for birds and for reptiles, they chew on them and ingest them, and it never ends well. But the pee-pads also contain some kind of stuff in between the liner that is toxic to birds and rodents who chew on them...So big no-no...

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Thank you for telling me about the pee pads!! I'll take them out immediately and replace them with newspaper. If it makes you feel any better my birds haven't had access to chew them, I had them folded neatly in the tray so that they couldn't do so!

Ok, lovely... no damage to even dyed fabrics? We have the occasional couch accident.

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No, I've not had any trouble with the Poop-Off at all. It's nothing but natural enzymes made from plants. Same as the natural cleaners I just spoke-of that you can buy at most grocery stores, Walmart, etc. I've used them on the carpeting, couch, etc. for poop and whatever else, and haven't had any type of staining or damage to the fabric at all...

Vilatus · Jun 15, 2018

EllenD said:
Something else, you mentioned that the pee-pads have a "fresh-scent"...this is another thing that you must avoid all the time. You can no-longer buy ANYTHING that has any type of added "scents". Nothing. No candles, no room sprays, no incense, no cleaners, no oil diffusers, etc. Same thing with anything that contains Teflon, like your pots and pans, if you have pots and pans that are the black, non-stick Teflon coated kind, you can no longer use them at all, you have to get rid of them and buy either ceramic non-stick ones, or use cast-iron ones. Some space heaters, blow-dryers, air purifiers, etc. also contain Teflon or a coating inside that emits the same fumes that the non-stick pans do, and it instantly kills birds...and I mean instantly. You can't smell the fumes that the non-stick pots and pans release, but I believe it's when any pot or pan, including non-stick baking pans, hit 400 degrees F or hotter, they release lethal fumes that instantly kill birds, and there's nothing you can do when it happens.

As far as anything that is "scented", birds are extremely sensitive to most-all scents and can become extremely sick and die quickly just from a scented candle burning or you using a scented cleaner. So even though you can't use ANY type of pee-pad in the bottom of their cages, regardless of whether it's scented or not, the "Fresh Scent" is just a double-whammy. You have to start cleaning with either natural cleaners with no scent, like the ones that are clear and made from plant products, or just start using a mix of white vinegar and water to clean with. No carpet powders, no scented floor cleaners or all-purpose cleaners, etc.

I'm aware of this. I've made the area where the birds are absolutely off limits to use any sort of scented anything, or harsh cleaners. Also no non-stick pans, and thankfully I've checked that our air purifier and hair dryer do not have teflon. My birds are safe from everything you mentioned here thankfully!

Again, thank you so so much for alerting me of the pee pad issue!! I guess I figured if puppies could be near it it probably wouldn't be an issue for my birds just as a tray liner.

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EllenD · Jun 15, 2018

No problem. I've seen more than one bird die from those pee-pads, which you would think would be awesome because they're absorbent...but all birds chew and get a hold of things that you think they wouldn't be able to, and for whatever reason the stuff in those pee pads, the stuff that makes them absorbent, is not digestible by birds and by the time you figure out that something is wrong with your bird, it's too late...I remember the girl that posted about her bird dying from eating a piece of the pee pad feeling horribly guilty and blaming herself, don't want that to happen to you or anyone else ever again...

Vilatus · Jun 15, 2018

EllenD said:
No problem. I've seen more than one bird die from those pee-pads, which you would think would be awesome because they're absorbent...but all birds chew and get a hold of things that you think they wouldn't be able to, and for whatever reason the stuff in those pee pads, the stuff that makes them absorbent, is not digestible by birds and by the time you figure out that something is wrong with your bird, it's too late...I remember the girl that posted about her bird dying from eating a piece of the pee pad feeling horribly guilty and blaming herself, don't want that to happen to you or anyone else ever again...

I'm confident they didn't eat it. I'm obsessive with checking their cages. I also feel my bird's crops up and weigh them every day now after my recent loss. I feel terrible for her though... I can't imagine how she must have felt.

Either way, the pee pads are now removed, and have been replaced with newspaper.

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texsize · Jun 15, 2018

I have yet to find a dish washer soap that does not have a scent.
Does anyone know of a brand that has no scent?
I love to know of one I can switch to.

thanks

EllenD · Jun 16, 2018

texsize said:
I have yet to find a dish washer soap that does not have a scent.
Does anyone know of a brand that has no scent?
I love to know of one I can switch to.

thanks

It's recommended to just use the regular old blue Dawn, that's actually what they used to clean-up all of the birds that were victims of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill...However, they do make clear, unscented Dish Detergent. It's usually located in the "Natural" section of the store, along with all of the natural soaps, shampoos, cleaners, etc. I don't know about other grocery stores, but we have a Wegmans here and they have a huge Natural Foods section that also has all kinds of natural and unscented soap, cleaner, medicines, vitamins, and everything else. That's where I buy all of my cleaning stuff. I would assume that Whole-Foods and Harris-Teeter have the same type of section...

GaleriaGila · Jun 16, 2018

I'm throwing in with Ellen. Good old-fashioned newspaper is great... I'm assuming it's beneath a grate. I don't like the idea of inks on birds' feet. As for cleaning, I use Dawn if needed, very diluted, although most of the tie, I find plain water to be fine.

I'm a self-annointed Queen of Paranoia... I practice creative paranoia (what could possibly go wrong... then take steps to prevent).

Good for you, for being curious and open-minded and caring!

Vilatus · Jun 16, 2018

GaleriaGila said:
I'm throwing in with Ellen. Good old-fashioned newspaper is great... I'm assuming it's beneath a grate. I don't like the idea of inks on birds' feet. As for cleaning, I use Dawn if needed, very diluted, although most of the tie, I find plain water to be fine.

I'm a self-annointed Queen of Paranoia... I practice creative paranoia (what could possibly go wrong... then take steps to prevent).

Good for you, for being curious and open-minded and caring!

Yes, it is beneath a grate. For my budgie I put paper towel on the grate so he doesn't hurt his little feet. I used to do it for my tiel as well but she just sees it as nesting material now... I don't like the idea of ink on their feet either, even if it is nontoxic.

Hey, I can relate! I continuously scrub things down and check and recheck cages.

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ChristaNL · Jun 18, 2018

Ink still an issue?
They've replaced the old newspaperink that stained everyones fingers black ages ago with something soy-based - so it is a lot safer (less toxic or even free of toxines alltogether).

I always feel sorry for birds that have no real "sitting on the floor option"- a lot of species will spend a big part of the day foraging on the ground - and now they are stuck on a grate...
The first thing I do is remove that from the cage (remember ... I have african greys who really love scratching around on the ground) and the birds are happier for it.

Incidentally they will have poop stuck on their feet - nothing a wet towel etc. wont remove. Small price to pay for a more relaxed bird.

They have paper lining (and a tray with woodchips for playing and hiding food etc.etc. ) and it gets switched out a lot of course.

It seems te be harder and harder to get unscented 'stuff' - it creeps into everything lately, no idea why.

We are definitely not getting any smellier, right?

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