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Old 06-30-2020, 04:03 AM
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Food pieces in poop

Thier are pieces of poop in my sun conures poop. Is this normal, I wouldn't have realized if I haven't picked the poop up in a tissue paper. I believe he had a yeast infection and was sitting in one place all day and not eating and vomiting I gave him AVC for four days or so and he has been better since that was a few weeks ago I am now giving him probiotics hopefully he gets better. Where I live there are no avian vets or any vets in general.
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:59 AM
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Re: Food pieces in poop

This is a very bad sign..
PDD often will cause undigested food in poop...but there can be other issues that cause it too (that is just the first thing that came to mind).
I am not a vet, but I wish you could get him to one....
Here are some thoughts on PDD from someone who dealt with it--I skimmed it and it looks decent, but you can do further research to confirm what this person is saying...
https://stuff.mit.edu/people/rei/bir...rily%20attacks

If you don't mind sharing your rough location, we could possibly help you find someone..

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Re: Food pieces in poop

I live in a village in Pakistan I did some reserch the nearest vet is a 5 hour drive and they cost an extreme amount.
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Re: Food pieces in poop

Is there a zoo nearby that has large birds? Sometimes zoo vets will see birds for people.

If you know any breeders, you might ask what they do when their birds get sick...they might have ideas....

The thing is, your bird may be very very sick.....I know that the vet may not be an option, but that would be the safest thing because they are going to be the only ones who can tell you for sure what is going on. Other people can guess, but only a vet is going to be able to run tests (IF they see birds and specialize in them enough for that sort of thing)...so just know that there is a significant risk if you don't get veterinary assistance (again though-I understand that may not be possible financially).

One really important thing to note is that this is likely contagious to other birds---so do not bring any other birds around or into your home until you have a better idea of what is making your bird sick...and you should not handle other birds after handling yours or wearing the same clothes around it. Certain dangerous viruses can live on surfaces in a home for a LONG time and infect other birds through feather dust in the air, clothing, carpet, curtains etc...if you already have other birds, assume that they could also be infected until you know what this is, because some viruses show no symptoms in one bird, while still spreading to and producing symptoms in others...so just because an exposed bird seems healthy, does not mean it couldn't spread illness.

Did you read that woman's suggestions in the link I sent you?

I'm hoping yours has some sort of parasite or bacterial issue and not PDD...but she does have some suggestions about things to rule out...and then supportive care.
The problem is, you don't want to try to treat something unless you are pretty sure you know what it is...and if someone gives you advice, before you medicate your bird or take action, DO LOTS OF RESEARCH because sometimes, even experienced bird people will tell you the wrong thing because they are set in their ways.


Do you smoke, vape or burn incense at all in your home? If you do, stop because it can make a sick bird much sicker--I just wanted to mention that....you want the cleanest and most chemical-free air possible for a sick bird.

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Re: Food pieces in poop

I dont have any other birds and understand all the dangers like smoking, teflon and candles. I'm pretty sure it is bacterial or yeast because he got really sick first the pieces in poop then he got tired and wouldn't move eventually he started to do sick. After a few hours of giving AVC in water he got much better and has been since the only issue is that the pieces remain in the poop.
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Re: Food pieces in poop

I just found this online:

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The presence of whole, undigested seeds in a parrot’s stool is cause for concern. It is usually associated with hyper-motility of the gastrointestinal (digestive) tract — in other words, food is passing too quickly through the system, and digestion is not taking place. The problem usually centers in the glandular stomach (proventriculus) or the gizzard (ventriculus).

A gram-negative bacterial infection, which may be caused by organisms such as Enterobacter mega-bacteria or various spirochetes, is often involved. Fungal infections, and parasites such as Giardia or roundworms, are also possibilities that must be considered. Less frequently, gastrointestinal hyper- motility can arise due to cancer, or to problems in the functioning of the crop and pancreas. The possibility that your bird has contracted the very serious Proventricular Dilation Disease (PDD, or “Macaw Wasting Disease”) must also be investigated (please see reference below).

You should contact your veterinarian if undigested seeds show up in the feces of any species of parrot that you might keep. The first step is usually to submit a fecal sample. This may be followed by a radiograph or, if necessary, a biopsy of the area in question.
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Giardia is something that I keep finding....How is your water supply there?
I lived in India for a chunk of time, and the tap water where I was made lots of people sick (that may not be the case where you are though) . I am not sure if you feed your bird tap water, but if you do and it isn't the safest, that is something to consider...

This is a stretch, but if you have any friends in the health-care world or those who are scientists (or even studying to biologists etc), maybe they could look at the poop under a microscope and tell you is they see any gram negative bacteria or yeast...even a human doctor could TECHNICALLY identify a lot of those things under a microscope in a lot of cases...Obviously they aren't going to do that unless you know them personally (and it would have to be off -the-record) lol, but just thought I'd mention it.

Do you ever share food with your bird after eating from a plate or dish? Do you let your bird touch your lips etc? Your spit can be very harmful to birds, as people carry gram-negative bacteria that birds cannot handle.

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Re: Food pieces in poop

Not to good but i give bottled water so I doubt its that.
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Re: Food pieces in poop

Thanks for all this info
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If it is pdd is there anything that can be done with vet care. Also my birds only 1 year old so could it be pdd I though it affects older birds.
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Re: Food pieces in poop

He is moulting as well and growing new feathers
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