Need opinions. Male or female?

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

Can anyone tell me if either of these Ringnecks look like a male?
Thanks.

MikeyTN · Mar 10, 2015

They're too young to be sexed. Your only option at this stage is DNA or surgically sexed.

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

There is a difference though. I just can't decide which one looks more male.

Betrisher · Mar 10, 2015

The only way you can sex IRNs before they reach maturity (at around 36 months) is to have DNA testing done. There are said to be some subtle signs of maleness/femaleness (eg. shape of head and comparable size of beak), but those signs are so subtle that you would always doubt yourself. I could make guesses about the pair in your pics, but I could be absolutely wrong due to the angle of the photo or the way the light falls on the birds. The only sure way is DNA testing.

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

I know. I just want to make a good guess.

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

Can anyone give their opinion on which one is more likely to be a male? They both have a different head and beak shape. I was thinking maybe the one on the right.

thekarens · Mar 10, 2015

If it were a sennie I'd tell you to look for the one with the bigger, flatter head.

Betrisher · Mar 10, 2015

Well, I guess I'd say the same about an Alexandrine: bigger, flatter head is male, smaller, rounder head is female.

Or not?

RavensGryf · Mar 10, 2015

Frumpydumple said:
Can anyone give their opinion on which one is more likely to be a male? They both have a different head and beak shape. I was thinking maybe the one on the right.

Hi Emily, it's so hard to tell these subtle clues by the pic and the angle... It does seem like most species the female has a more petite look to the head and beak. I've also read a story from an experienced breeder of Poicephalus, that females always seem to have the smaller rounder head, but males can either have the flatter bigger head and beak OR they can look like girls too :52:.

Does the breeder not want to DNA even if you pay for it to be done? Or, can you find a breeder who offers this service?

Kiwibird · Mar 10, 2015

TOTAL shot in the dark, but something I can't put my finger on about the right bird looks more 'male' to me. The look in it's eye, I think. But of course with most parrots, theres just no way to tell and what you 'think' looks male could just as easily be a female. DNA is the only sure way until they get the ring (or not).

Curious why gender is so important?

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

RavensGryf said:
Frumpydumple said:

Can anyone give their opinion on which one is more likely to be a male? They both have a different head and beak shape. I was thinking maybe the one on the right.

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Hi Emily, it's so hard to tell these subtle clues by the pic and the angle... It does seem like most species the female has a more petite look to the head and beak. I've also read a story from an experienced breeder of Poicephalus, that females always seem to have the smaller rounder head, but males can either have the flatter bigger head and beak OR they can look like girls too :52:.

Does the breeder not want to DNA even if you pay for it to be done? Or, can you find a breeder who offers this service?

Hi, long time no see.

Sadly, they aren't willing to DNA them even if I payed them extra. I might be able to find another breeder eventually, but this breeder seems pretty good so I don't want to miss out on these.

Frumpydumple · Mar 10, 2015

Kiwibird said:
TOTAL shot in the dark, but something I can't put my finger on about the right bird looks more 'male' to me. The look in it's eye, I think. But of course with most parrots, theres just no way to tell and what you 'think' looks male could just as easily be a female. DNA is the only sure way until they get the ring (or not).

Curious why gender is so important?

I agree. I just have a feeling the one on the right is a male. I don't know why.

It's not that important, I just would prefer a male.

Hawk · Mar 11, 2015

Frumpydumple said:
Can anyone tell me if either of these Ringnecks look like a male?
Thanks.

Another way is a female ( sometimes) will generally drop down and squat some before pooping, males will slightly, though mostly not noticeable, lift a leg just before pooping.... however it's not a guarantee. But usually after even having them sexed, you'll witness the same thing.

Kiwibird · Mar 11, 2015

Hawk said:
Frumpydumple said:

Can anyone tell me if either of these Ringnecks look like a male?
Thanks.

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Another way is a female ( sometimes) will generally drop down and squat some before pooping, males will slightly, though mostly not noticeable, lift a leg just before pooping.... however it's not a guarantee. But usually after even having them sexed, you'll witness the same thing.

The males also tend to 'miss the bowl' and hit a toy instead:54: (sorry, I couldn't help myself:09

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Frumpydumple · Mar 11, 2015

I've decided. I'm buying the one on the right.

RavensGryf · Mar 11, 2015

When do you bring "him" home? Any names picked out? Will you get a DNA test once he's home, or will you try to wait up to 3 years! Lol!

Frumpydumple · Mar 11, 2015

RavensGryf said:
When do you bring "him" home? Any names picked out? Will you get a DNA test once he's home, or will you try to wait up to 3 years! Lol!

I get to bring him home on the 19th.

I'm thinking of calling him Skyler.

And yes I will be getting him DNA sexed straight after bringing him home.

RavensGryf · Mar 11, 2015

Yay, that's exciting! So I see Merle was found to be Mildred, and has taken a liking to your mom? Lol

Frumpydumple · Mar 11, 2015

RavensGryf said:
Yay, that's exciting! So I see Merle was found to be Mildred, and has taken a liking to your mom? Lol

Yeah, we got her DNA sexed and she ended up being female.
She bonded a lot to my Mother, so Mildred is her bird now.
My Mother decided to name her Mildred instead of Merle.
She recently turned one year old.

Betrisher · Mar 12, 2015

Why don't you buy both of them? I mean, it's your decision of course, but I promise you, two birds are more than twice as much fun as one! AND they entertain each other when you're a bit busy. Just sayin'...

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