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Old 11-07-2018, 11:53 PM
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Irn or arn?

Hi, I'm new here and just adopted (what I was told) is an Indian ring neck that was born in March. Ofc they had no record of the exact age but the bird looked a bit smaller than a full grown irn so I assumed them to not be lieing. However after reading a bit on this forum I didn't realize that arn existed and were so similar. Also this bird is an odd color, I've never seen a ring neck this color. The pictures she looks more white (they also said she wss a girl but who knows) but she's actually a very light blue. And I'm guessing her tail feathers are short either because she's young, a different species or was just not well cared for. Thanks!

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Old 11-07-2018, 11:55 PM
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Re: Irn or arn?

Well I tried to upload a picture but I guess it didn't work...
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:00 AM
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Re: Irn or arn?

Ok well I managed to upload the pics to an album that should be public if anyone wants to look... They ate sideways for some reason though. :/
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Re: Irn or arn?

I looked at the pics and I believe this partot to be an IRN. Also..they could only know the sex if they dna tested as the ring on the boy irn and arn don't show up until they're a year or so old unless it's a girl whose over a year old. Then they could tell because she would not have developed a ring.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:08 AM
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Re: Irn or arn?

I agree they are an Indian ringneck and you can't tell the sex. IRNs have a lot of colour mutations. Your bird can be blue pastel cleartail but I can be wrong.
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Re: Irn or arn?

Thanks!! They said she was DNA sexed but who knows really. I figured she was probably an irn because arn are pretty rare in the us I guess. I am hoping she is as young as they said. Anyways I'm excited to have a bird again she seems very sweet and tame but if she's a baby I'll be expecting some craziness in a few years lol

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Re: Irn or arn?

I canít see your album from my phone but if the bird isnít green, it isnít an ARN. Mutation ARNs may be out there but they arenít in the pet trade.

As far as the color you are describing it SOUNDS like a pallid blue.

ďPastelĒ is not the name of any mutation and is used in different parts of the world to mean different things, usually turquoise. Cleartails would have a clear tail and a lighter belly but wouldnít appear to be a very pale body color. A pallid blue will have a light blue body with a white head and flight feathers. If your bird does not have a white head but has a pale blue body, she could be cinnamon or edged.

This is a picture of a breeding pair; the hen, Misty, is pallid blue and the male, Adolin, is pallid violet. The lighting was kind of weird so the colors appear darker than they usually do to look at. I have had people think that both are white birds from a distance.


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Re: Irn or arn?

It looks very much like a pallid blue to me as well. As for sex, it was already mentioned, unless you get a DNA test, you won't know for sure until the bird is between 1-2 years old, as the males can sometimes take up to 2 years-old for their rings to show-up...

ARN's aren't "rare", I think a lot of the time people do mistake them for an IRN though, or vice versa most of the time...All ARN's are green to the best of my knowledge though...I don't know a whole lot about the Ringnecks, but you have a beautiful, young IRN...
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Old 11-09-2018, 09:59 AM
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Re: Irn or arn?

The following is based on MY experience and understanding.

A quick tell IRN or ARN is the beak. If it's orange-red, IRN; maroon, ARN. I've yet to see otherwise. Beaksize is a subjective tell. Large, IRN; small, ARN. A bird other than green is an IRN.

MY understanding is that not all male mutations have a ring. Is this true? Either way, the ring doesn't appear until sexual maturity. Although some disagree, a bluffing stage is apparent.

Age is most-often told by the eyes. Again, this is subjective! As the bird ages, the eyes get a larger yellow ring.
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Re: Irn or arn?

Apparently, "Pastel" as a description in place of "Pallid" is currently accepted in the non-breeder jargon. Recently, I saw a bird described as "pastel" blue and have heard/seen IRNs thus described.
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