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Old 05-22-2020, 12:30 PM
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Can I trust my breeder?

Hi there! This is my first post on the forum so forgive my noobie-ness.

I've been looking around for an Indian Ringneck for some time now, I have now found someone who buys them from a breeder friend and re-sells them.
She calls herself a bird trader.
The birds look very healthy, they're unclipped and have an appropriate veggie/fruit/seed diet. (No pellets yet).
She claims they are all 3 months old but have no rings around their feet to confirm this.
She also stated the genders are unknown and therefore she is assuming they are male... That's a little BS if you ask me...
I don't mind which gender they are, I do want to make sure she's being truthful about the age.

They have about a 50-50 black to-red ratio in their beaks and all have a light green ring with slightly darker feathers on their head than the body.

Is there any way to identify the age or gender by pictures? (hopefully I uploaded it right).

Thank you in advance,

Olivier.
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Old 05-22-2020, 12:39 PM
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

Birds can carry and transmit deadly diseases asymptomatically for years/lifetimes and these can be spread through air ducts, carpets, clothing, hair, dishes etc. If you buy a bird from a breeder or a friend, you cannot assume they are healthy without specific panel testing...there are some things that require SPECIFIC disease panels and cannot even be detected in a CBC, so you can't really ever just tell by looking. You can usually tell if a bird is near death/SUPER sick (there are red flags), but you can't always assume a bird is healthy because of their looks/behaviors...because 1. They hide illness, but 2. because they can be vectors of transmission without ever getting sick themselves (or, years later)

That having been said, most of us have taken a risk before and purchased either a re-homed or bred bird---testing after the fact ourselves .

Even the best breeder will not test your bird for all of the diseases for which it should be tested, as this would cost $1000 per bird...It is always a risk-- to test for all diseases before a sale is very expensive and never happens-- a reputable breeder will likely do a few swab tests and rarely, blood (which is very important for an owner to do). Now, they absolutely should test for certain things if they are reputable...such as psittacosis/chlamydia (among others)--but do not assume that a bird has a clean bill of health just because you get it from a breeder and it looks good.

I will say, the phrase "bird trader" causes the hairs on my arms to stand up. These animals are not property...to be traded...they are on par with apes in terms of intelligence...

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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

Thank you for the quick response!

I do understand this, do you think they're more susceptible to diseases because they have moved location?
The person does mainly sell birds and has sold a lot of them in the past.
Maybe I will just ask her for the breeder's details and get one straight from them?
Also, the orange ring around their eyes is very bright, is this any indication of age?
I've seen people say they dont turn orange until adulthood?
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

Anytime anyone has a lot of birds together, there is the risk for disease. You will need to follow-up on testing and quarantine this bird in a separate room (if you have any other birds in the house). That applies even when you get a bird from a perfect breeder. The word "trader" is super sketchy, but even a breeder can be sketchy...you have to really do your research ahead of time.

Have you had parrots before?

IRNs are not my specialty, but a good friend of mine has one and many members also have them.
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

I will make sure to visit an Avian vet within the first week or so of getting the bird to make sure it's healthy, and DNA test it as well to verify it's gender.

I have had a few birds in the past, all around the cockatiel size. I've done a few months of research on IRN's to make sure I'm fully prepared for homing one.
I already have a big cage set-up and got food for the diet they're currently on to make sure there's a smooth transition and minimize complications.

I live in London and some breeders seem very sketchy around here..
The reason I wanted to go with this one is that no else was prepared to give me any information at all, this person has answered every question I fired. (Alot of them).
I am just cautious of the age of the bird, I just don't know how to identify it
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

It's often a bit sketchy-- in my opinion (breeding is sketchy to me in many cases, but not all--that is a personal opinion and I do know some good, really picky breeders, but they aren't as common). It's possible that the person you are speaking with is legit---I just don't like "trading" birds anymore than I like "trading" children.

Make sure your bird is FULLY WEANED---SO IMPORTANT!!!
make sure you get testing results in writing (those conducted before you purchase and those you fund yourself after).

Make sure you get as much as you can in writing (without being a total jerk lol)

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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

The term trader is indeed a bit odd... As far as I know she only has them for a few days before they're already sold.
She said she collected from her breeder and within 3 days they're pretty much gone. I don't exactly know what to make of that.

Besides that they are not handfed, they are parent fed, and are on their own sustainable diet now, (I'm guessing that means they are finished weaning?)
As far as I'm aware they haven't tested anything either, I don't think that's that common in London, they sell like cupcakes and don't receive the treatment they deserve, unfortunately.

Any tips on the age however? I have more pictures if it helps
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

The fact that they are eating on their own is good. That is what you want-- never get an unweaned or partially weaned bird.

No expert on IRNs but I can Google for you! lol I just can't speak about their age off the cuff, as it is not where I have most experience. With birds in general, it is not uncommon for eye rings, eyes, or ceres to change color as they age, but that doesn't apply to all species and is definitely a generality--again, don't know a TON about ring-necks from personal experience.

I bet some IRN owners will chime in soon.

I would say AT LEAST 6 months judging by the orange ring around the eyes- but again, no expert. The internet seems to think that, on average, they get a ring on their necks around 17 months (just repeating what I read--no experience in that department personally)
The eyes do look dark still, which (from what I've read) is associated with younger birds---then again, it's hard to say from that distance- and again, not my specialty...the fact that there are rings on their necks would be my starting point for further research if I were you...From what I have read, there are even certain varieties in which the ring never fully appears-- that having been said, it seems common for this to happen around a year- 1.5 years of age....RESEARCH ONLY--take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

That's exactly what I thought!

I believe ringnecks can get a light ring around their neck at a pretty young age, like 3 months, the darker ring however develops way later if they are male.
Its the slightly darker feathers above the ring that confuse me (lack of sunlight?)
I have also never seen a ringneck with such bright orange eyes, you're right on they darkness thing, they are pretty beady.

Just questioning the seller a bit more, she seems to know a lot.

Thanks for all your help btw, its been a pleasure
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Re: Can I trust my breeder?

Like I said--- I am not an expert-- you are always welcome to question the seller (obviously-- I would--no matter what), but DO see what others say. My bird is a cockatoo, so she is quite different from an IRN. I haven't ever personally owned an IRN (as I said before) and I don't know a ton about them- although I have hung out with them...lol.

Just don't assume I am right (because I could be wrong)
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