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Old 03-14-2019, 08:03 AM
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I found an African Grey parrot outside in some trees in Shenzhen, China almost a year ago. It has a leg band, which apparently they do not do in China. And she (I think it's a she) said "hello" in English. I assume she was brought in by a foreign family and either escaped or was abandoned (common pet problem here). A search in the neighborhood and on expat forums has yielded no results in finding her original owners. After almost a year the bird is part of our family and we really want to keep her. Now we are in a position where we want to move out of China. But we have no paperwork on the bird, no CITES certificate. China will not issue any such certificate for a parrot, as they only consider dogs and cats as pets. So far all communication with local agencies has had the same result: turn over the bird to wildlife authorities. We are very reluctant to do this in a country that is not famed for its animal rights, and not native to African Grey parrots. Any suggestions anybody has to either get her out, or re-home her to a good home in China are welcome! We are moving to Thailand, still within Asia, if that helps in the suggestions.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:13 AM
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

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I found an African Grey parrot outside in some trees in Shenzhen, China almost a year ago. It has a leg band, which apparently they do not do in China. And she (I think it's a she) said "hello" in English. I assume she was brought in by a foreign family and either escaped or was abandoned (common pet problem here). A search in the neighborhood and on expat forums has yielded no results in finding her original owners. After almost a year the bird is part of our family and we really want to keep her. Now we are in a position where we want to move out of China. But we have no paperwork on the bird, no CITES certificate. China will not issue any such certificate for a parrot, as they only consider dogs and cats as pets. So far all communication with local agencies has had the same result: turn over the bird to wildlife authorities. We are very reluctant to do this in a country that is not famed for its animal rights, and not native to African Grey parrots. Any suggestions anybody has to either get her out, or re-home her to a good home in China are welcome! We are moving to Thailand, still within Asia, if that helps in the suggestions.


So very sorry for you! This is difficult but Iíve learned in my life overseas to keep knocking on doors. Please keep trying, out feelers out everywhere. Hoping for the best!!!


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Old 03-14-2019, 08:55 AM
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

I'd honestly recommend hiring a pet relocation company. They cost a ton (I've heard of people doing an Singapore to USA trip for USD 2,000 for a conure), but they handle most of the process for you.

Apart from that, it looks like the main regulations for greys are to have either a closed leg band or other identification. For Thailand in particular, it looks like they typically ask for a microchip for mammalian pets and to get an import permit from their authority.

That being said, if you consider her part of your family, I'd really recommend a pet travel company, like those listed here.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:24 AM
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

I am from India and I can understand and empathize. There is a need for developing a parrot helpline in every major city of the world . Since African greys have now become CITES 1 species, it may require more paperwork than say a cockatiel.
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

I am so sorry, but I think you are likely toast.

African Greys are Cites-1 birds now (could even be the reason she was let go in the first place) so there is a LOT of paperwork and you have to prove previous ownership before 2 jan 2017.
(photoos with a data/ most cellphones will add a day+time automatically anyway/, vetbills anything ...)
Been there, done that with mine :P it is a pain in the baconregion.

If you can do that...you can apply for the right papers and then you can just go from there. That would be great.
(CITES-paperwork is valid worldwide, so if you can get those you are just traveling with a pet.)


The fact that the bird has a legband helps - at long as it is a closed one it means she/he was bred in captivity... and if you are very lucky you can retrace it to the breeder. (All the good ones keep records.)


On the other hand...you are in China, I am sure with enough "incentive" you can find a vet that will provide the "propper" paperwork.

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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

Welcome, I am sorry to hear of your dilemma. I would pursue a dual track: Wading through the bureaucracy in hopes of finding a solution, and finding her a good home.
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

Also try to get in touch with international Parrot NGOs like the World Parrot Trust . They may be able to help you get in touch with the right people.
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

Flying with your Grey involves the Airlines and also requires that you want to contact them. And, in thinking of that point, they will also be a great source for what you will need to have regarding paperwork prior to arriving at the airport.

Excellent recommendations above and as stated 'Family Pet' is a very important statement to keep using.
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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

Hoping for the best pls keep us posted.


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Re: African Grey found in China, need documentation

You may know I am not very tactfull, but since we get a few handfulls of PhD-students from China each year who supposedly have finished university at a high level (mostly beta studies) but more or less have the educational level of first/maybe second year regular students (18/ 19 y. old) in NL...
So if it is that easy to "buy" a diploma from a serious university, obtaining some "evidence" that allows you to legally register your bird with the CITESburo should be a piece of cake.

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