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Old 07-08-2018, 12:44 AM
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Are you right handed? Birds can sense what hand is less steady, so the trust your dominant hand more.
Birds dislike fast movements. Try moving more slowly, and Don't try to force anything.
Most parrots wipe their beaks after eating to clean them of food. It's like you wiping your mouth after a messy meal.
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Hi. My lovie and I started out the same way. I'd regularly get bit for feeding her lol.

Sometimes I still get bit for feeding her.

She had been abused in the past so it has been a very slow process. I got her just over a year ago and she is just starting to trust me.

She has one kinda amusing habit. She's scared of hands but insists on bathing in my hands. Last bath she only bit me once. No blood.
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Re: Need suggestion

If your bird is scared and biting your finger: use a small (metal) spoon to give the seed.
(sendok teh /?/ sorry, used a translating site, could not think of the english word)


You can still feed him by hand without the bites.


(I do the same with Sunny when she is scared of new foods. No more holes in fingers.)
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Old 07-08-2018, 06:34 AM
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Hi crowcall, sorry i dint mean to be rude, but i think u are mistaken about what you read. My bird is bought whenche is around 6-1 year old, sorry if i mistook what parent raising is if i am also wrong.

And about the active part, yeah i place him near the family room which we always watch tv and chat all the time so dont worry, and for the place hands on the sides of the cage, do u mean next to him i put my hands? If yes then he will come and bite me immediately.
I already told ny dad to consider buy a square one, and lets hope my dad will agree

For the leve his cage open, i think micky is not ready for that process yet because its just still maybe 3 weeks? And its almost an adult bird so it might be taking longer time in my opinion

But thankyou so much for the steps u told me , i already feed him outside the cage through cage cell, maybe around 1 week later i will feed him inside his cage
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Old 07-08-2018, 06:39 AM
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Wooo yeah i am right hand, ahh so thats why.... i was curious bout the wiping one, just afraid he damaged his beak. Well you said it right, sendok teh is a teaspoon in indonesia ^_^, and i use fingers to feed him and he eat it... i know i will get bite sometimes but i prefer using my finger so he will know about the appearance of my finger ? Maybe ahhaa

And yeah i think i used my left hands too fast because i need to open the door earlier this morning, and thankyou so much.. i will save up money for my lovely lovebird!
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Old 07-08-2018, 07:53 AM
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Hi, thats really reassuring to have experts around the world help me ^_^

Well, lets see... i will tell u what i have done today

1. I followed ur opinion and place 8 diff seeds in a can lid and try to have him pick which one he'll choose. Too bad i didnt crack open the sunflower seeds, but it turns out he chose this one seeds( i dont now the names, it looks white and like a fat seeds) it takes a little time for him to open, but its not as hard as the sunflower seeds, it looks simple to micky to crack it open ^_^

2. And for the training session, i feel bad if i remove all his meals from his cage, and give him his fav food and then place his mixed meals(without his fav) in the cage.
May i put the millets seeds in there all the time? But the fav one will only be given by me and ofc with my hands.

3. OHHH SO THATS WHY.. i juat realized after seeing your post. When i fed him, at one point when i palce sunflower seeds near the cage, he turn to his back to me like 2 or 3 times, maybe that is how mocky tells me that he had enouh training session? Well, i will be careful and make sure to read his body language more careful

Actually today i got bad bite which bleeds again . Well maybe he is being territorial because sometimes if i just place near him, he will quickly try to bite. And i dont know about this but i have a little question, when i use can lid to offer him try know his fav one, he turn his head down and look for my finger which i become scared to get bite lol , and he seems more eager to bite me when i approach with left hand than right hand. Why is that? Or maybe just my feeling?

4. Sorry this might be a bad news , it turns out i can't afford to buy a square one cage, because my dad recently just bought that one, but all the stores that i have visited have the same cage as me (round one) and the height and width is the same too, and inside the cage only have 1 bird, they say that the square one is for breeding. At the other point, the good news is my dad bought and changed the perch from plastic to wooden one, and i wonder why he always look like moping his beak at the woodern perch after he eats? Is it to sharpen his beak? Or what? I am curious

Well thats all for now, i feel happy to have experts help me, thankyou so much, u r an amazing person haha ^_^ and btw u need to make the go for the best result a quotes, thats really a cool line hahaha, as always thabkyou so much PS : this is for Anansi, i would like to report to him ahaha

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Re: Need suggestion

1. Parent-raised means that the bird was raised and fed by it's own parents until it was ready to be sold. It has nothing to do with the age of a bird.

2. Place your hands on the outside of the cage. Sorry if I was unclear. If he still tries to bite, hover them about an inch away from the cage.

3. By leaving the cage open, you are allowing him to explore things at his own pace. By knowing his environment, he will feel safer. PLEASE MAKE SURE there are no dangers in your house first, I.E, running fan, open toilet, turned on ovens or stoves, and the like.

Hope I clarified things a bit! Good luck! And don't get discouraged! These things take time, especially with lovebirds. They can be a bit touchy.

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Old 07-08-2018, 11:19 AM
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Re: Need suggestion

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Hi, thats really reassuring to have experts around the world help me ^_^

Well, lets see... i will tell u what i have done today

1. I followed ur opinion and place 8 diff seeds in a can lid and try to have him pick which one he'll choose. Too bad i didnt crack open the sunflower seeds, but it turns out he chose this one seeds( i dont now the names, it looks white and like a fat seeds) it takes a little time for him to open, but its not as hard as the sunflower seeds, it looks simple to micky to crack it open ^_^

2. And for the training session, i feel bad if i remove all his meals from his cage, and give him his fav food and then place his mixed meals(without his fav) in the cage.
May i put the millets seeds in there all the time? But the fav one will only be given by me and ofc with my hands.

3. OHHH SO THATS WHY.. i juat realized after seeing your post. When i fed him, at one point when i palce sunflower seeds near the cage, he turn to his back to me like 2 or 3 times, maybe that is how mocky tells me that he had enouh training session? Well, i will be careful and make sure to read his body language more careful

Actually today i got bad bite which bleeds again . Well maybe he is being territorial because sometimes if i just place near him, he will quickly try to bite. And i dont know about this but i have a little question, when i use can lid to offer him try know his fav one, he turn his head down and look for my finger which i become scared to get bite lol , and he seems more eager to bite me when i approach with left hand than right hand. Why is that? Or maybe just my feeling?

4. Sorry this might be a bad news , it turns out i can't afford to buy a square one cage, because my dad recently just bought that one, but all the stores that i have visited have the same cage as me (round one) and the height and width is the same too, and inside the cage only have 1 bird, they say that the square one is for breeding. At the other point, the good news is my dad bought and changed the perch from plastic to wooden one, and i wonder why he always look like moping his beak at the woodern perch after he eats? Is it to sharpen his beak? Or what? I am curious

Well thats all for now, i feel happy to have experts help me, thankyou so much, u r an amazing person haha ^_^ and btw u need to make the go for the best result a quotes, thats really a cool line hahaha, as always thabkyou so much PS : this is for Anansi, i would like to report to him ahaha
You're welcome! I'm glad you're finding this all helpful. The more that you watch your bird and come to learn his body language, the less you will be bitten. You'll see.

Okay, again by the numbers.
1) If you can try finding his favorite nuts for this it would be better than seeds, but only for the speed of transition from one training attempt to the next. With a nut, they don't have to take the time to go through a hull. They just chew and swallow, and then they're ready for the next. But working with that seed you've found is okay also.

2) To answer this, let me first explain the 2 different ways of feeding. Some people prefer free feeding. With this method, food is left in the cage all of the time and the bird is free to pick away at his leisure. Then there is what I call the defined meals method, where they are given 2 or 3 full meals per day (not counting any training or nighttime treats).

I go with the defined meals method for a few reasons. A) Less chance of your bird getting overweight, B) I have Eclectus parrots who need mostly fresh foods as they tend not to do well on pellets. And fresh food will spoil after a few hours, and C) it makes them more motivated for training with treats and for foraging activities you may want to give them.

My birds work with a 2 meal per day schedule. So 2 hearty meals, breakfast and dinner. For my flock, this would include fresh chop, sprouts, some legumes, oats and grains. For your bird, you'll also want to include some fresh fruits and vegetables (chop) along with pellets and such, as well as a small serving of seeds. (Not including his favorite, of course) And remember, millet should be more of a treat food than a main part of his diet. Seeds and nuts in general should make up a significantly smaller percentage of his diet than chop, legumes, sprouts, and pellets. So no, millet should not be available all of the time. Maybe as a small nighttime snack... after dinner.

3) Yes, if he turns his back on you he's definitely indicating that he's done. Chances are, he'd probably already given you less dramatic signs earlier. Pay attention to those signs. Eventually, when you get good enough at reading those signs you will be able to anticipate when he is nearly at his limit and stop beforehand. (Most birds' training sessions should only go as long as 10 - 15 minutes. Some are even good for up to 30, like mine. But each bird is different and has a different limit. Any longer than their limit, and birds start to get bored.)

As for him looking down at your finger and getting more eager to bite, this makes perfect sense. See, birds are much better at reading body language than we are. But they are not always that great at figuring out exactly what the body language means. Remember, you are the one who seems like a predator to him. Not the other way around. So when you get scared, he's just reading an increase in your excitement. Which, to a prey animal, means that you might be getting ready to attack. In the wild, a fellow bird would know if he intended to bite or not. So a fellow bird would not get apprehensive as he got closer to him. Know what I mean? So yes, the more nervous you get, the more likely you are to get bitten. Because your nervousness makes him nervous.

And I agree with CrowCall25's point about your left hand versus your right hand. Your dominant hand is the one that will tend to be the steadier of the two.

4) Again, CrowCall25 covered this question rather well. The store people are definitely wrong about round versus square cages. If you can't get one now, make sure to start saving up for one so you can get one as soon as possible. I'd suggest asking in another thread specifically about the recommended cage size for a love bird. There are many in this sub-forum who can give you a good answer to that. But the general answer to that is: the larger the better.

And yes, when he wipes his beak after eating it serves to clean his beak and to sharpen it. This is a good, normal and healthy activity for him.

BTW, have you gotten him lots of toys and such for his cage? Mental stimulation is very important for a parrot. Cool wooden toys that he can gnaw on will entertain him for hours at a time. Just make sure that it is bird-safe wood.

Post back with any further questions. We're happy to help.
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Re: Need suggestion

hooo i see i see, as always i really appreciate all ur answers


lets go again with numbers haha


1. i actually only have different kinds of seeds to feed him, but around every 2 until 3 days usually my dad gives fresh corn, or some greens, or banana. seeing you reply to me, then it makes me want to follow ur defined meals method (because so many positive point there).


so what i would want to do is remove all his food except water and a bowl of water for him to take a bath in there, and at 7am i will feed him his fav food around 15 mins before i give him breakfast and i will do the same at 6pm, but at 12pm and 3/4pm i will have feed him his fav food, is that a great idea?



and yeah about the fresh veges or fruit, i read that if u give to lovebird, it can stimulate them to increase their desire to mate, is it true? or should i just give fresh fruit or veges everyday?



2. well, seeing you said that makes me remember that around the 2nd week after i bought him, i place my hands in there confidently and he wants to bite but hold back, like thinking for a while, ( but i still got bite because i place my hand in his cage too early ><) so, what u want to say is i need to have confident and just feed him act normally right? not showing my fear i mean


3. and yes i understand, i will tell my dad to buy one, and my dad ask me to go to pet centre this saturday, hopefully we get a nice cage to change



4. and you know, around 2 days ago i just realized i dont have a toys for him, and yesterday i forgot to bring money to buy one, how silly i am. but tomorrow i will buy one, it looks like a block of smooth wood, and there is a saying there for lovebirds toy and to decrease the desire to mate, is that the one u were referring?


and for crowcall25, what is the effect when i hold my hand an inch away from my bird inside the cage while he is trying to bite me? i am curious about the biting issue to be honest, and yeah i did it today around 5 minutes while talking to him and after that i feed him his fav food with my fingers like 15 min
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hooo i see i see, as always i really appreciate all ur answers


lets go again with numbers haha


1. i actually only have different kinds of seeds to feed him, but around every 2 until 3 days usually my dad gives fresh corn, or some greens, or banana. seeing you reply to me, then it makes me want to follow ur defined meals method (because so many positive point there).


so what i would want to do is remove all his food except water and a bowl of water for him to take a bath in there, and at 7am i will feed him his fav food around 15 mins before i give him breakfast and i will do the same at 6pm, but at 12pm and 3/4pm i will have feed him his fav food, is that a great idea?



and yeah about the fresh veges or fruit, i read that if u give to lovebird, it can stimulate them to increase their desire to mate, is it true? or should i just give fresh fruit or veges everyday?



2. well, seeing you said that makes me remember that around the 2nd week after i bought him, i place my hands in there confidently and he wants to bite but hold back, like thinking for a while, ( but i still got bite because i place my hand in his cage too early ><) so, what u want to say is i need to have confident and just feed him act normally right? not showing my fear i mean


3. and yes i understand, i will tell my dad to buy one, and my dad ask me to go to pet centre this saturday, hopefully we get a nice cage to change



4. and you know, around 2 days ago i just realized i dont have a toys for him, and yesterday i forgot to bring money to buy one, how silly i am. but tomorrow i will buy one, it looks like a block of smooth wood, and there is a saying there for lovebirds toy and to decrease the desire to mate, is that the one u were referring?


and for crowcall25, what is the effect when i hold my hand an inch away from my bird inside the cage while he is trying to bite me? i am curious about the biting issue to be honest, and yeah i did it today around 5 minutes while talking to him and after that i feed him his fav food with my fingers like 15 min
Sorry I missed this, before. Okay, by the numbers...

1) You definitely need to feed him more than just seeds. A seed only diet will eventually lead to health problems and conceivably take years off his life.

The favorite treat should only be used when you are either training him or just bribing him. It should be fed to him by your hand. And also, if you are shifting from free feeding to defined meals, it would be a good idea to get a weight scale for him if you can to make sure he isn't losing any weight. (There are weight scales with perches designed specifically for birds, but in a pinch any kitchen scale that measures in grams should be fine.)

The idea is not to remove the food from his cage, but rather to give him enough food to fill him. For instance, each of my ekkies gets a bowl of breakfast in the morning. That bowl is left there until I get home, but I know they'll finish most everything in there within around 1 or 2 hours. So they're completely full, but hungry by the time I get home.

Also, make sure you are gradual with the transition. You don't want a situation where you leave him with too small an amount of food and he's starving by the time you get around to the next meal. (Not really an issue if you're home most of the day.)

2) Yes... but having confidence won't be a cure all for biting. Approaching nervously is one reason for getting bitten. By approaching with more confidence you are eliminating that one reason. Sticking your hand into what he sees as his territory might be another cause entirely. Know what I mean?

3) Excellent! Remember to make a thread asking other members with lovebirds about the best cage size.

4) There are lots of different toys. Experiment with different types to see what he most enjoys. A toy with a mix of soft and hard woods might be a good place to start.

Here's a link to one of my threads showing toys I put together with my children. I'm not a good toy maker or anything. This is just to give you an idea of what kind of things can be put together: Toy-making/Family Bonding Time

Okay, back to work I go. Let me know how it goes.
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