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Hello i am 18 yrs old and i am from indonesia, lately around 3 weeks ago me and my father bought 1 lovely lovebird, its a male. And i saw some articles saying to keep talking to it until it gets comfortable and whenever you got bite dont scream

My lovebird name is Micky and he is not self raising, we bought him like maybe he is around 6 month - 1 year, and he likes to bite which i want to prevent it.

What i want to know is how to tame an aggresive bird like this? Which when u just place your hands near the cage, he will come to try bite you? And if it gets used to me... how do i know ? Like what are the signs to know.

So far he is not as aggresive as it was before (at the s1st time i buy it) and don't worry about the patience.. i always have time for him tho.

Oh ya btw in here stores dont sell spray millets.

I hope anyone who can read this may help me, many thanks
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Old 07-04-2018, 07:41 AM
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:43 AM
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Hello, and welcome to the Parrot Forums family!

Okay, a lot depends on this bird's background. If he was not hand-raised, it will be a lot tougher to earn his trust than it might be otherwise. 3 weeks is early yet. Just remember that him coming to trust you is a much bigger feat than the other way around. The size difference is probably greater than that of a human to an elephant, for example. So that's a lot of trust.

Best thing is to start off with a lot of bribery. Find out his favorite foods. The stuff he will absolutely lose his mind over. For my birds, cashews and almonds do the trick. Then separate his favorite one or two foods from his general diet. In other words, make it so he can only get these foods from you. And then sit by the side of his cage, between meals when he's feeling a bit hungry, and offer the treat through the bars. Be patient and let him come to you. Might take him a little while to build up the necessary nerve, but eventually he will. And once he does, he will come to associate you with his favorite treat.

Birds learn strongly by association. So you want to take the time to build that link in his mind. Make sure, btw, that you're always talking to him in a mellow voice while bribing him. You want to put him at ease.

As he begins to get more comfortable, you can move on to target training. To start, you can do this through the bars of his cage, basically indicating with a pointer of some kind somewhere you'd like him to go in the cage, and then rewarding him for moving in that direction with his favorite treat. Eventually he'll make the connection and find himself very eager to go where that stick directs him. Here is a link to a video on target training:

Eventually, once he's at ease with this level interaction, you can open the front of his caged start targeting him somewhere on the outside of his cage. Baby steps. Don't get too eager and try having him fly across the room on your first go. Just a place right beyond the door, like the outside wall of the cage. And then reward with treats and lots of praise.

Now, on to the biting issue. Hopefully much of the biting will subside with the increased interaction and level of trust. For what biting remains, take a good read of this link: BRAINSTORMING: Biting Parrots What I love about that thread is its focus on bite avoidance in general. Many bites are easily avoided if you know what to watch out for.

As for handling any bite that winds up happening anyway, a few tips:

Be proactive. Begin carrying a small, bird-safe piece of wood or hard plastic around with you. (Small enough to carry comfortably in your pocket or even the palm of your hand, and hard enough to withstand a good gnawing.) And then learn the warning signs for when he's about to attack. When he does, interpose the bird-safe item between your flesh and his beak. This will serve the dual purpose of shielding your hand/arm, and also diverting his attention from you as the object of his ire. Most birds will be distracted enough by this that they will momentarily forget their desire to eat you.

Again, once you become more adept at reading his moods, you'll be able to prevent many bites simply by not putting yourself in the position to be bitten in the first place.

Also, when telling him "No", always do so in a calm and even, yet firm, tone of voice. I don't say this to spare Micky's feelings, but rather to make sure that you are not training him to bite you. You see, when you react animatedly to a nip or bite, he really has no point of reference for your decidedly human body language. So if you yell or jump about cursing and such, it is entirely possible that he might find the display AMUSING. And then he'll of course prove his hypothesis of cause and effect by doing it again. And again. So try your best not to react excitedly. Keep your movements controlled and precise. Keep your voice calm. And use your hand to gently remove his beak from your flesh. (No, don't follow the advice of people who tell you to accept the bite and not react at all. That is just a good way to bleed for absolutely no reason.)

At this point, you would put Micky on timeout for 5 - 15 minutes, making sure to either leave the room completely (if his timeout is in a cage) or turn your back and give no eye contact. Of course, this works best after establishing something of a relationship with the bird as laid out in the steps above. A timeout for a parrot that does not yet have any kind of rapport with you and still actively flees from you is actually a reward. So do everything in its proper order. 1) Build trust and a connection by sharing treats, speaking in a calming voice and keeping your movements deliberate and gentle. 2)Deepen that connection through interactive sessions of target training, first through the bars of the cage and then outside the cage once he's ready. 3) Try targeting him onto your hand. If he's apprehensive, you can use a lure of food that requires him to step onto your finger to reach it. But always remember to let him come to you. It's a good idea if it's HIS idea. Lol!

Here's another link for bite pressure training: Bite pressure training?

Hope this helps. Don't hesitate to post with further questions.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:34 AM
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Re: Need suggestion

Wow first of all thankyou so much, i really like ir text which makes my mind clear and cam start from which the selecting his fav foods first

Let's say his fav food is millet and it is seeds not spray millet which we can just place it without our hand be near the cage. When i want to give the threat outside the cage what if he will eagerly it?

And how do you tell if a bird is scared or annoyed at you?

Oh and lets say if i managed to make him do the target training and target him outside the cage in my room, and lets say id he fly how to make him go inside the cage again? Because when i buy him his wing is not clipped.

And dont worry about the how long it will take, everyday i have time for him and i am a patience boy luckily ^_^ and even if he bites i dont hate him because it may be his instinct,

And btw can i send my bird pics in here? Idk how tho XD
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:20 AM
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You're welcome!

You can coax him outside of the cage with a treat in a cup. Sure. As long as this is happening at his pace, it's all good.

Watch for his body language to know if he's scared or annoyed. The Brainstorming thread I linked in my prior post has a good amount of info on what to look for.

Ah, getting him back inside the cage need not be too difficult. And my birds have never been clipped. Eventually he will learn to do as you ask. But initially he may be a bit stubborn about returning. So first thing, make sure not to "free feed". In other words, give him 2 or 3 defined, large meals per day rather than constant access to food. And always feed him in his cage (except for treats, of course.) That way, he'll come to associate meal time with his cage. After implementing these practices, it all comes down to strategic timing of your training sessions. End your session a little before his next mealtime, when he's good and hungry, and then put his regular serving of food into his cage dish. He'll head inside of his own volition. *Only exception is if he's really scared, so you should try to wait until he's more comfortable with you.

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Old 07-07-2018, 05:27 AM
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Re: Need suggestion

Hi, its me again..
Sorry i couldnt post yesterday , suddenly i needed to help my friends with his shop.

And let me tell you what i try and what micky is doing, if there are any mistakes you may tell me to correct it.

1. I tried to use 8 different seeds to him since you said try to find his fav food, which before i just used millets. And it turns out he ate all 8 different seeds lol (i don't know if this is a good news or bad news).

2. I don't use cup or coax him outside the cage, instead i try to become braver and just put seeds in my finger at the ceiling of his cage. And he go towards me and eat it. It makes me happy to see he walk and approach me first altrough only just to eat hahaha XD

3. He ate all from my finger but, later since i saw he always drop the sunflower seed after he cracked it, i tried to hold it in my hands while he eat, but after that he walks to me and use his beak quickly to me, and it turns out i got bitten and bleed a little. And before i want to remove his beak he already back off. And i just remain silent lol

Thats all for what i saw today, i don't know if he is annyoned/angry to which he bite me or he miss take his food.
Oh ya i forgot to tell you that his cage is a round one but it is quite tall and have 2 perch for him to hang.
And i don't for how long to try feed him using treat, like how many minutes before i put his meals inside the cage, and sorry i still don't understand about the brainstorming thread , the words make me confuse hahaha since i dont really know english well.

And when u tell me if i get bite i should not make eye contact for about 5-15 min thats what u mean right?

So far its so good and i hope you can explain more a little bout the biting issue sorry for troubling you and thankyou so much
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Hi! No problem at all. I'll answer each one according to the numbers you've put down. Let's see...

1) Okay, a few things here. First, you might be better off finding his favorite nut. Unless you have seeds that have already been hulled. I say this because during training you want a treat that your bird will be able to eat relatively quickly. They can take a while breaking through the seed hull to get to the actual seed within... which will tend to slow the training experience to a crawl.

And second, what you are trying to discover is his favorite food, not what foods he will eat. So offer maybe 5 or so different types of food at the same time. All should be easily and equally accessible. Then watch for which type he consistently goes for first. If he goes for that one first most times, you know which is his favorite. And that will be the one that he can only get during training time.

2) This is fine. And it's good that he feels like he can approach you to take the food from your fingers. And don't worry about the fact that he is only coming to you for the food. That's how it starts. The key is when he gets to the point of associating the sight of you with the tasty treats he loves. Association is a powerful thing. Are you familiar with the famous experiment involving Pavlov's dogs? Check it out if you're not. Same principle applies here. Through association, he will come to be excited to see you.

3) For the reasons I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't bother with the sunflower seeds. But in this instance, what likely happened is that you "ignored" his body language telling you that he didn't want anymore. So since you didn't listen, he tagged you with a bite. Always pay attention to his body language, and never push farther than he's willing to go in one session. Remember that you are playing the long game, here. Be patient. Don't go for the quickest results. Go for the best results.

And another thing. All of this is taking place within his cage, correct? Just remember that some birds are very territorial. And if this is the case with yours, just having your hand in his cage at all might be putting him on edge. So be especially careful when putting your hand inside his cage rather than luring him out.

The cage is a round one? If it's like what I'm picturing, you should try to upgrade his cage as soon as you can. And the perches should be tree branch types.

Yes, if you are bitten, turn away and don't look his way for 5 -15 minutes. But that works better once you are actually bonded with your bird. Right now it m might not b other him so much. But later, it will.

As for the Brainstorming thread, are you saying you went there and didn't understand what everyone was saying? If so, ask any particular questions about it you may have. You can either ask here or on that thread. Just ask specifically what you would like to know.

And no need to apologize. We have members from all over the world, here. You're not the only one who speaks English as a second (or even third) language. So if anything I say confuses you, don't hesitate to ask as many questions as you need. It's no trouble at all.
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Honestly, from what I've seen, this is normal for a new bird, especially a parent-raised one. Here's my advice:
1. Your bird is NOT aggressive, he is fearful. This is very normal, and you can overcome it. Make sure the cage is in an active part of the house. Your parrot should be able to see people for most of the day. For about a week, place your hands on the sides of the cage while just talking. You can say anything you want, but make it in a calm tone. Do This for 5 minutes each day. After about a week, start offering treats through the bars of the cage. Once he is fine with that and is eating them, you can start giving him treats with your hands inside the cage.

2. PLEASE save up for a square cage. It will help IMMENSELY.

3. Leave his cage open while you are in the room. DO NOT try to force him to come out. He will come in his own time. When he does, Don't try to touch him or make any sudden moves. Just continue with what you are doing. He will go back into the cage when he is hungry. Don't worry about the poop. It is odorless and comes off pretty much everything easily.

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P.S, the bird store is rather wrong. A bird in a round cage has no safe corner to go to, so they feel trapped and stressed. a square cage will help your bird feel safer.
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