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Wellsir ... I have a friend that has a 16 year old male blue and gold macaw. Unfortunately my friend is an alcoholic and the bird stays in a room filled with storage junk. He's usually there 24/7 ... every day his partner has to ask him if he has feed the bird yet. And the answer is always "not yet".

I'm considering adopting the bird because I can't stand to see him in that room all the time and my friend not paying the bird any attention. The problem is the bird only wants my friends attention. He is the only one that can handle him without getting seriously bitten.

If I were to take him how would I deal with him? How would I be able to handle him without being bit? Instead of keeping him in a little room I would have him with me during his waking hours, and put his case in a spare bedroom where he can have his space. I just don't know if I can handle his anger issues. He is very aggressive and screams a lot especially when my friend is around and he won't pay him any attention. It's not that he doesn't love the bird ... he feels bad about not giving him the time he requires, but the alcohol prevents him from facing his issues.

What would you good folks advise?

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Old 07-17-2017, 04:55 AM
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Wellsir ... I have a friend that has a 16 year old male blue and gold macaw. Unfortunately my friend is an alcoholic and the bird stays in a room filled with storage junk. He's usually there 24/7 ... every day his partner has to ask him if he has feed the bird yet. And the answer is always "not yet".

I'm considering adopting the bird because I can't stand to see him in that room all the time and my friend not paying the bird any attention. The problem is the bird only wants my friends attention. He is the only one that can handle him without getting seriously bitten.

If I were to take him how would I deal with him? How would I be able to handle him without being bit? Instead of keeping him in a little room I would have him with me during his waking hours, and put his case in a spare bedroom where he can have his space. I just don't know if I can handle his anger issues. He is very aggressive and screams a lot especially when my friend is around and he won't pay him any attention. It's not that he doesn't love the bird ... he feels bad about not giving him the time he requires, but the alcohol prevents him from facing his issues.

What would you good folks advise?

Thank you for reading my post.
Have you cared for a macaw before? Or any parrot? If yes then take them, you will get bitten, even if it was the sweetest thing in existence it will bite at some point. That's part of owning a bird! If not I would approach your friend with an ultimatum. Either drop the booze and care for the bird, or the bird gets taken to a rescue. Your friend needs help and so does that bird. Being around junk constantly is going to kill him at some point and will only get more aggressive and territorial as time goes on. I don't know what's turned your friend to alcohol but they need to learn that their action of sitting and drinking has consequences, the chief of which will be their pet being taken away from them and they may never see them again
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Why not try and care for bird there in their house and see if you can develop a relationship with him? His diet will probably need improving reading between the lines.

Some info Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...

It could be the owner is actually making the bird worse at a guess? Would your friend hand him over to you?
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Re: Need Advice Macaw With Anger Issues

It sounds like there is vast room for improvement in the bird's care. When you change the bird's environment it's likely the bird's attitude will improve as well but it takes time. Remember it's never the bird who is at fault, the bird is only reacting to the treatment he's receiving and the personalities around him. Parrots are social creatures, they need company.

I think Plumsmum has the right idea, try to improve the situation for the bird in his current home and see where it goes from there, take him treats, offer him a new toy, most importantly give him new reasons to trust humans.
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Have you cared for a macaw before? Or any parrot? If yes then take them, you will get bitten, even if it was the sweetest thing in existence it will bite at some point. That's part of owning a bird! If not I would approach your friend with an ultimatum. Either drop the booze and care for the bird, or the bird gets taken to a rescue. Your friend needs help and so does that bird. Being around junk constantly is going to kill him at some point and will only get more aggressive and territorial as time goes on. I don't know what's turned your friend to alcohol but they need to learn that their action of sitting and drinking has consequences, the chief of which will be their pet being taken away from them and they may never see them again
Wellsir ... I have not cared for a macaw before ... I had a cockatiel for 13 years that hated my guts, so I'm a bit apprehensive about taking the macaw but I can't stand to see him lock up and neglected. Ultimatum will do no good ... he would only become defensive. He has serious issues of feeling overwhelmed and refuses to face them ... instead he uses the booze.
I fear the only way for him to face these issue is by force ... and I mean him getting a second DUI. The first time he quit for 3 years, but he fell off the wagon because of the issues he refuse to face. I and his partner have tried to get him to address the issues but he won't. He just comes home from work and gets drunk while the bird is upstairs screaming for him. My friend is really a very nice guy and he does feel bad about the bird, but he simply refuses to address his issue. He is in serious need of help, but won't seek it out. It unfortunately will have to be by force.

As far as recuse ... I was told by my friend they only try to talk you out of giving up the bird.



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Why not try and care for bird there in their house and see if you can develop a relationship with him? His diet will probably need improving reading between the lines.

Some info Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...

It could be the owner is actually making the bird worse at a guess? Would your friend hand him over to you?
I don't see the bird that often to try and establish a relationship with him. I live an hour and a half away from my friend so I only see him from time to time. When I am there I do try and speak with him, but he won't hear of it. I believe my friend would hand the bird over to me. He knows I would treat him well. I was there yesterday, and I and his partner got him to bring the bird outside during our cookout and he loved it. I am shocked the bird stills allows my friend to touch him. The bird must love him very much despite the treatment he receives. I was told that was the first time he has been outside in over a year. If he would let me touch him I would always bring him out of that room when ever I'm there.

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It sounds like there is vast room for improvement in the bird's care. When you change the bird's environment it's likely the bird's attitude will improve as well but it takes time. Remember it's never the bird who is at fault, the bird is only reacting to the treatment he's receiving and the personalities around him. Parrots are social creatures, they need company.

I think Plumsmum has the right idea, try to improve the situation for the bird in his current home and see where it goes from there, take him treats, offer him a new toy, most importantly give him new reasons to trust humans.
Both my friend and his partner has a macaw ... both birds hate my guts. I have tried offering treats in the past and they just try to bite me. I always speak to them when I'm there, but the situation hasn't changed over the years.

I'm just concerned that if I do take him how to get the bird in and out of his cage without being attacked? I'm hoping a new cleaner environment will help, after time, but how to I keep from being seriously bitten in the mean time? Thanks to you all for reading my post.

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Re: Need Advice Macaw With Anger Issues

You'd probably be starting over from square one...

But just getting him out of that situation, and getting him on a regular good food diet, and getting him out of his cage, and getting attention again would do wonders...

HE'S TRAPPED IN A CAGE, GETTING NO ATTENTION, PROBABLY AN UNCLEAN CAGE, SURROUNDED BY JUNK, GETTING SENSORY DEPRIVED AND "DOING LIFE" IN SOLITARY WITH NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROL.... OF COURSE HE'S ANGRY!!!
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Wow ... you must definitely be the birdman to have so many ... you must really love parrots.

If I do get this bird can I count on you good folks guidance? I'm going to need it. Thanks for reading my post.
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Re: Need Advice Macaw With Anger Issues

Your intent to rescue this poor bird is extraordinarily noble, but first become thoroughly educated with the care and handling of a macaw. Birds often choose "their" people, so spend significant time with this bird before offering. If he does not appear to like you, the road will be very rocky!

A few threads of interest:
Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...
Tips for Bonding and Building Trust

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Okay ... I have a few questions ... first concerning this statement ...

If the bird is still acting piss-ey at that point, then the correct response is to use the palm of your hand on a closed bent fist, and just nonchalantly push the beak away when he lunges.

I'm not sure what you mean about my hand. Do you mean have it in a fist with the plam facing up? Or is my palm facing me with my hand in a fist? I can't picture a closed bent fist.

When I see him at my friends house with him in his cage in the junk room and being aggressive telling me to stay away how should I respond? Do the snake dance?

How should he be transported to my house? What should I focus on that first day with him?

Where should I set up his cage? In an upstairs spare room that gives him privacy or should I set it up in the livingroom where we all will be until he gets use to me and the dogs?

Should I leave him in his cage until he is use to me and trust me? How should I interact with him while he is in his cage?

Does his cage need to be covered while he sleeps?

I'm looking into building him a gym of some kind with pvc pipe and wood so he can have that to mix with the rest of us.

Will I have to supervise him around my computers? Will he try do damage something like that?

I'm sure I will have more questions, but I will start with these for now. Thank you for reading my post.

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Okay ... I have a few questions ... first concerning this statement ...

If the bird is still acting piss-ey at that point, then the correct response is to use the palm of your hand on a closed bent fist, and just nonchalantly push the beak away when he lunges.

I'm not sure what you mean about my hand. Do you mean have it in a fist with the plam facing up? Or is my palm facing me with my hand in a fist? I can't picture a closed bent fist.

When I see him at my friends house with him in his cage in the junk room and being aggressive telling me to stay away how should I respond? Do the snake dance?

How should he be transported to my house? What should I focus on that first day with him?

Where should I set up his cage? In an upstairs spare room that gives him privacy or should I set it up in the livingroom where we all will be until he gets use to me and the dogs?

Should I leave him in his cage until he is use to me and trust me? How should I interact with him while he is in his cage?

Does his cage need to be covered while he sleeps?

I'm looking into building him a gym of some kind with pvc pipe and wood so he can have that to mix with the rest of us.

Will I have to supervise him around my computers? Will he try do damage something like that?

I'm sure I will have more questions, but I will start with these for now. Thank you for reading my post.
you didn't mention you had dogs!

Get him to a rescue. One second looking away and that bird can and almost certainly will be munched
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