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Old 11-14-2017, 02:00 PM
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They are adorable babies, such a shame to see. If this is indeed deformity then there needs to be some fact finding to avoid any future ones being born the same. It needs getting to the bottom of for the birds sake @Lakermatt.
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakermatt View Post
we have both been super busy.. he is a friend.. no online stuff.. I just went over there. he has had perfectly good babies before. I have seen them. why would he separate the parents? when he had seen that there feet were wrong he immediately pulled the babies from the nest..

Three reasons to separate the parents:

1. If it was a genetic defect, then these parrots should not breed again. It's not fair to the future babies - to risk creating more crippled parrots just to make money.

2. If it was not a genetic defect, then the feet were damaged after hatching, and the breeder is not taking responsibility for that. Dumping the babies on a rescue? That's not ethical. A breeder is responsible for the birds they bring into the world. They don't just get to make the money off the healthy ones and dump the others onto the charity of others. Someone who does this values the money and doesn't care about the welfare of the birds.

3.They should not be rewarded with money for this flagrant refusal to take responsibility for what they caused. Because yes, they put the parents together and took the steps that caused the babies to be born. This problem is the breeder's fault, even if he didn't bite the toes himself, and it's his responsibility to be sure the babies have good homes and happy lives.
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:41 PM
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

He needs to separate them to prevent future "deformities" though I'm convinced they were bitten off.

He shouldn't be breeding ANYTHING if he can't behave responsibly and ethically.


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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakermatt View Post
we have both been super busy.. he is a friend.. no online stuff.. I just went over there. he has had perfectly good babies before. I have seen them. why would he separate the parents? when he had seen that there feet were wrong he immediately pulled the babies from the nest..
So it took him more than a day to notice they had no toes? That just proves that they were bitten off then. It's not exactly hard to notice part of their feet missing.

You separate the breeding pair to stop them producing more deformed babies. like we have all said. multiple times.

I just find it a little strange as soon as we probe into how close a friend you are that suddenly your schedule drops for you to go round... Seems a little convenient to me. Seriously none of us would judge you if you were to say this is a random person you met. Hell we'd praise you for being open to accepting a pair of birds with disabilities into your home and working to make them happy.

Once again our anger is at the breeder for not being responsible and honestly for being for lack of better words, a heartless uncaring monster only interested in the money that macaws can give them, the sole reason that they want to dump them at a rescue is because they can't get money and they are having to spend money on them. We've all seen this before.
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

Quote: Originally Posted by Lakermatt View Post
we have both been super busy.. he is a friend.. no online stuff.. I just went over there. he has had perfectly good babies before. I have seen them. why would he separate the parents? when he had seen that there feet were wrong he immediately pulled the babies from the nest..
Okay, clearly whatever is said by anyone that has commented thus far holds little to no value. So:

- take them home
- fail to get CITES required documents (birth and transfer of ownership)
- fail to have them seen by an CAV (Certified Avian Vet)

But: Be ready to take in more of your 'friends' rejects. Since, clearly he has no interest in properly care for the birds he has (i.e. a 'Good' Breeder would have already had them to a CAV and would already have available CITES documents for them).

Hey, cause that's what Friends do, right?

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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Lakermatt View Post
we have both been super busy.. he is a friend.. no online stuff.. I just went over there. he has had perfectly good babies before. I have seen them. why would he separate the parents? when he had seen that there feet were wrong he immediately pulled the babies from the nest..
Okay, clearly whatever is said by anyone that has commented thus far holds little to no value. So:

- take them home
- fail to get CITIES required documents (birth and transfer of ownership)
- fail to have them seen by an CAV (Certified Avian Vet)

But: Be ready to take in more of your 'friends' rejects. Since, clearly he has no interest in properly care for the birds he has (i.e. a 'Good' Breeder would have already had them to a CAV and would already have available CITIES documents for them).

Hey, cause that's what Friends do, right?
get arrested for illegal trafficking of endangered species

wish I could have as good a friend
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

Ok the OP is hopefully still around;

You can tell we are frustrated. REALLY UPSET in fact. But not at you. We hope you adopt them and we want to support you in that (or at least I do), it's your "freind" and his irresponsible treatment of his birds, the law, and you that has our blood boiling.

I'm a breeder myself and this sort of behavior is what gives breeders a bad name.


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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

SailBoat, you've gotta stop calling it "CITIES". You're going to end up confusing people, especially non-English speakers. It's called CITES .

Oh, and Lakermatt, try not to get upset. I know the others have said some harsh things, although, not unwarranted. On the surface, the breeder DOES deserve to be chewed out like he has. But we don't know the whole story. Maybe he truly cares about his birds, and this whole situation is just an unfortunate mistake. Maybe we've been too harsh on your friend.

Anyways, assuming they just have deformed feet, and it's not some sort of messed up virus or something that's affecting other aspects of their bodies, they should definitely be able to live happy, healthy lives. You just have to keep an eye on their feet to make sure they don't get sores, and make sure they exercise their legs and maintain a full range of motion. Providing platform perches is also a good idea so they can rest their legs and feet once in a while.
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

HI All, please know this.. you guys haven't offended me whatsoever... Im just trying to help my buddy. and you don't have to put quotations next to friend... LOL.. he really is a friend of mine.. I just don't go over to the guys house everyday.. he wanted me to ask these questions, as he has never ran into a situation like this with any of his birds.. he seen the eggs crack, he was there the whole time.. he wouldn't lie to me on that. maybe he is not the most responsible breeder? I cant judge him on that.. I am just trying to get him answers and me answers.. I want to take on this challenge, but then I am SUPER afraid of this challenge.. I just seen a pic of a GW with no feet and no wings perched on his nubs!!
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Re: B/g pair.. Deformed feet.. Any suggestions?

Well, assuming you're capable and willing to take on two healthy, not deformed blue and gold macaws, I don't see any reason to think you wouldn't be able to care for two special needs birds. Although it might seem serious (well, I'm not saying it isn't serious), they shouldn't have trouble adapting to deformed feet. Plus, most of their feet are intact. It would be worse if their beaks were deformed.
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