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Old 10-08-2018, 09:53 AM
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I just got off the phone with my vet. He finally got the labs back for Romeo. I said hey Doc, hows it going. He said Romeo tested positive for polyoma virus. I'm beside myself.
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Old 10-08-2018, 10:08 AM
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re: OMG I'm cushed.

Ohnoes....I am *so* sorry to hear that.
Completely understand you do not like the world very much right now.

On the bright side- on your side of the pond they medicate it.
Antivirals and such.

? Did you get tested because of symptoms or "just because you wanted to know if he had the all clear"?

*Did your doc. offer you to retest?
That is probably the first thing you want to do -- make sure it is not a false-positive.
(they are rare but do happen / not trying to give you any false hope here, but when in doubt: go science!)
* and get your other bird tested as well.
You'll need to do that anyway.
* Contact the breeder! (OMG the store I mean, oh boy...)

afaik: Some birds do not die of it, but can still spread it around.
(Infected parents can have perfectly healthy young one year, and pass it on the the babies the next... why, nobody knows.)


I found several scenarios actually-
some are good news, some not so good.

But if your bird shows no symptoms ...
he could either have been infected in the nest (and not the shop) and weirdly enough-if it happened at a very young age: it will not get sick, but will be possibly still carry the live virus for the rest of its life and possibly infect other birds,
sometimes if they get infected a bit later in life they will test positive at first, but if they do not get really sick the virus will be in the birds system (and show up in tests) for 24 weeks and after that it will be completely gone!
If it keeps showing up (tests) after that period, the bird will probably be a carier for the virus for the rest of its life (short or very long).
Carriers are not scary, just should not be around other birds who are not likewise already infected and more or less imune.
(and not breed if at all possible)

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Old 10-08-2018, 10:30 AM
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The sale contract said to get everything tested within 7 days. When we went in to get his round of testing, his blood cell counts were way off the chatys. Doc said it would be a bit longer before the results of why would come in. So today was when he recieved the actual diagnosis from the lab. Theres no false positive, unfortunately. His counts for all his white blood cells were super elevated. I contacted the store I got him at. Mainly because they were all babies and in such close proximity.
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:38 AM
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I hope to god the scenario you posted, would be the scenario were facing. Im preparing myself for the worst, and am just giving him his best birdie life ever.
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re: OMG I'm cushed.

Oh no, I'm so, so sorry...Is he symptomatic? If so, what signs/symptoms is he displaying?

He was born this past April I see? It's unusual for parrots to acutely die from Polyoma Virus at his age, usually they contract it from their parents or from an infected bird in the breeder's home, and they die within the first 30 days of life...At his age of almost 6 months old, if he's not symptomatic except for his blood-work being off, which is to be expected (especially the elevated WBC count), then there is a good chance that he can survive the disease with supportive care, and extreme sanitary conditions/practices. And even if he is symptomatic, many birds who are first diagnosed at his age or older survive and live normal lifespans, as they often shed the virus...sometimes they suffer from permanent feather abnormalities, but usually if they can survive as long as he has, then it's quite possible that he'll make it...

Has your Avian Vet discussed a plan for him? Even though there is no real "treatment", other than the antivirus drugs that may or may not help, supportive care is necessary if/when he becomes symptomatic...But this is not necessarily a death sentence, not at all...Like I said, most parrots who die from Polyoma die acutely from it shortly after they hatch, or during their first weeks of life...Since he's almost 6 months old, he's got a good chance of getting through it...

I see you have other birds, so it's extremely important to keep them separated, keep everything in your house very clean and vacuumed often, as Polyoma is thought to spread through feathers/dead skin/keratin sheaths, etc...And they do have adult-vaccinations, I believe the last time I had any experience with Polyoma vaccinations for an adult bird, there were two injections, the second one coming like 2 weeks after the first, and then there were intermittent booster shots...but don't quote me on that, as it's been quite a while since I've dealt with that at the Rescue or at the lab at PSU that I worked at...

Don't lose hope, he has a very good chance of surviving at his age, just keep him calm, warm, and extremely clean, lots of clean water, good food (keeping his nutrition up is a must), consider adding a daily avian probiotic to his food to protect/calm his GI Tract, as they often die from secondary bacterial and/or fungal/yeast infections, so the probiotics will help protect him from a yeast infection, as well as help to keep his tummy and GI Tract settled and make him feel good and keep his appetite up, thus keep his strength up and his immune system in good shape (nausea, vomiting, and runny feces are all symptoms of acute Polyoma, so the probiotics will help all the way around, and won't hurt at all, Benebac is a good one)...In addition to a daily Probiotic dose, often Vitamin K injections also help, especially if he suffers any blood loss at all...nutrition, nutrition, nutrition!!! Lots of fresh veggies and dark, leafy greens to keep his nutrition up and to keep him well-hydrated...

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re: OMG I'm cushed.

I was told if you start with those vaccinations, you'd need a yearly booster anyway ...

This is going to be one of our least favorite parts: the waitinggame.
The elevated whitebloodcellcount could actually just have been from the upper respiratoy-whosname he had and not even this virus. But there is only one way to find out : time will tell.

So you do what you've done since you met each other: just love him and make him happy.
It does not really matter if it is for just twenty minutes or twenty years - as long as he feels he is loved it is allright!

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re: OMG I'm cushed.

I absolutely adore you guys, thank you so much. Ive been planning for palliative care, and hes not showing any symptoms. Poop, ureas, eating, definitely energetic, so totally asymptomatic . His respiratory thing cleared up at least, and his feathers look super. Im guardedly hopeful.
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Re: OMG I'm cushed.

Such stressful news ! I hate these viruses! I'm glad symptom free, and hope it stays that way!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danigrrl39 View Post
I absolutely adore you guys, thank you so much. Ive been planning for palliative care, and hes not showing any symptoms. Poop, ureas, eating, definitely energetic, so totally asymptomatic . His respiratory thing cleared up at least, and his feathers look super. Im guardedly hopeful.
Well, to be honest with you then, in my experience with Polyoma, he's in the absolute best-case-scenario that you could ever ask for...He's nearly 6 months old, he's completely asymptomatic, he's eating and acting normally with normal energy levels, and it's very likely that he'll shed the virus and get out of this without even knowing he was sick to begin with. So this is sounding very good right now...Now be careful to clean all dust, dander, feathers, droppings, etc. as thoroughly and often as you can to protect your other birds...And it's good that you contacted the pet shop that he came from...Was he bred by the pet shop, or did he come from a different breeder? They should also be contacted immediately, but that's probably going to be up to the pet shop to contact their breeder/vendor, if it isn't them...

***As far as the vaccinations go, I believe you're correct, at least with the adult vaccinations. I know they get the first vaccination injection and then the second one about 2 weeks later, and then must get a yearly booster, at least that's how it was circa 2003-2005, when I worked in the Avian Diagnostics Lab. Though I have to admit that Polyoma Virus wasn't something that we got a lot of positive tests for, as it usually effects newly-hatched chicks most often, and they most-often die pretty quickly from it when they are that young or when they are "acutely sick", there's little to nothing you can do about that. But whenever we would get a positive, the owner/vet/breeder would immediately want to automatically vaccinate their other adult birds, and they wouldn't listen to reason when we'd tell them we had to first test their other birds before vaccinating them...Treatments/vaccines may have changed greatly since then, and I've not seen a single case of Polyoma at the Rescue in the last 8 years...
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Re: OMG I'm cushed.

Danigrrl39 I’m so very sorry for your terrible situation, Romeo looks like such a beautiful boy! But he could not be in a more loving home or have a more dedicated mom than you, whatever the outcome he has his best chance of a great life with you.
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