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Old 04-10-2019, 07:58 AM
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Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Hi ! Iím new to the parrot community ! I donít have any birds at the moment but I have been doing my research on a few breeds and that has taken me about three months so far ! ( I want to be very educated the bird I pick ) Iím stuck between a green cheek conure , pionus, Meyer or maybe a cockatiel. I have been switching between all of them but my heart is going toward the conure . Now I am not my research but I was wondering if anyone had some information for me with experience !
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I have two dogs and two cats . I trust my animals with a new animal coming in . I have two Dobermanís which are a family dogs and they both have a gentle soul towards animals . I am just a little concerned on how to get the bird use to itís surroundings and introducing them and making them a pack . I am a little concern about my cat but I know in time she would love it . Iím just confused on where to start .
I also have a one year old and planning on another baby in the future . I do work full time but my boyfriend will be home during the morning and I am home in the afternoon . Iím thinking an hour in the morning with the bird and a few hours at night just letting them be with me and my family and training . I have a love for animals and canít shake a bird off my mind !
Iím wondering for honest opinions if a bird is right for my house hold and if i can make it happen because I really want to.
Also Iím not to concerned about the noise I know these birds are on the quieter side but do they like be very loud in the morning ?? Thatís my only concern because when they make noise I know youíre suppose to ignore them but i would want to them him/her out .
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:42 AM
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Hello and welcome!!

We have members here with decades of experience with these birds. I personally LOVE cockatiels and am in the midst of breeding my pair.

I also have a Doberman (they're the best dogs!!) and two cats, who have learned to adjust to living with a parrot but of course you must always take precautions. I would never trust my birds out alone with any of them -- the cats WILL go after the birds if left alone and the dog has a potential to step on them as he is so huge. The key is to find a cage that sits on a stand and big enough so that the cats can't jump on it. If you're wanting to have parrots out while you are with the baby, cats likely need to get put into their own room for safety. You will likely have divided attention with your baby so its' best to minimize risk this way.

It's best the get a parrot when it's weaned from a breeder -- they'll likely be more tame and will adjust easier to new situations when they are well socialized and handled by people from a young age. Be sure to find a reputable breeder in your area. If you can't decide on one, go into your local pet store (or bird rescue) and spend some time around all the birds you are interested in to see their personalities, size and temperament differences.

YOu may be surprised when you go in wanting one bird, and another ends up choosing you as its owner. It happens!

All birds make some noise. It would be ideal if you lived in a single family home rather than an apartment but these smaller species should be okay for apartment living also. My cockatiels normally sing and make some noise in the morning (6am-7) then are pretty quiet throughout the day with some occasional chirping. Then at night they are singing again but then settle down for the night when lights get turned off.

YOu will be busy with your job, baby and another possible baby in the future, but if you are committed to owning a bird and dedicating a few hours every day to interaction, training and playing, it should work out fine.
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Welcome to the forum!

itzjbean has made some good points above. Other members will be able to give a little bit more insight on your questiones.
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

I would say that pionus are quiet birds, not so difficult. And itís a bigger bird than a cockatiel or conure, I suppose you prefer something not do little.
They are not as cuddly as a conure though. But they are GORGEOUS. Regarding the time, I would tell you to spend MINIMUM MINIMUM 4-5h with them. Iím sure youíll do great with whatever you choose.
Meyers are funny btw !


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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Welcome to the forums, thanks for researching and reaching out before choosing a bird!

If you live near an avian rescue or diverse breeder, might have an opportunity to be exposed to and handle species of interest.

Superb advice from itzjbean! Many of us enjoy life with birds and dogs, provided strict separation and foolproof protections are devised.
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Thanks everyone so much !! This positive and helpful information will make my bird dreams continue ! Probably have about four more months of intense research before I make my decision - I need to be fully prepared lol . !!
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Welcome and I am so glad that your are planning and researching ahead of time. You obviously know what a huge commitment birds are, and that is commendable!
I am not telling you not to get a bird, but I am telling you that I would strongly advise waiting until you have older kids (and, ideally, no cats). I am not saying that having young kids and birds (+cats) cannot be done- but it can get super complicated in the blink of an eye, plus, it is risky...Especially since owning a bird for the first time is full of learning curves and mistakes without the presence of complicating factors. Thanks again for being so conscientious and for seeking information!

Here are some things to consider based on your current situation (young child, future child, cats, dogs, 2 working adults):

Your bird may or may not get along with other members of your family (and it may decide to bond with your husband or something instead of you and vice-versa). Often times, they will tolerate some people, and love one or two...just in general...That means that if you are relying on your ability to handle the bird easily (or your husband's ability to do so when you are not around) you cannot be certain that things will be equally easy/painless for both of you, or that you will be the bird's preferred person.

With such young kids and so many pets, it seems like a giant risk to take on a bird (for both the bird and potentially, for your other pets/kid)
Although birds can be socialized, it is no guarantee that they won't bite you or your kids- you will all get bitten from time-to-time, and you cannot react or you will increase the problematic behavior. The same is true for your kids-- if bitten, they cannot react, but young kids and adults struggle with this-- it is natural to yell and flail and scold, and that is the opposite of what will need to happen (for everyone, across the board). Even a small beak can do nasty damage to a teeny-tiny finger or ear...Also, cats carry bacteria in their claws/saliva that is very deadly to birds (even if the scratch is small/not deadly on its own).

Sometimes, birds can get especially jealous and some will actively seek out family members or family pets to bite/harass (flying at them etc)... For instance, my bird likes my family, but when I visit them, there are only 2 of us who avoid getting bitten most of the time when handling her (me and my dad). She will step up onto others (but about half of the time, she will bite at some point during their handling session--sometimes to test them, sometimes to avoid being put back on her cage, sometimes because she wants them to put her down and can't communicate it---and mine is pretty nice as birds go). If my dad walks into the room, so will act like she needs to defend him from other people and bite who she is on-even though she was content and gentle 2 seconds prior (because she is obsessed with him)--He only ever pets her on he head and never has done anything to stimulate mating behavior. She also screams when she hears his voice elsewhere in the house.

Since you haven't had a bird before and you have dogs, cats + young kids, I would seriously wait to get a bird- at least until your kids were closer to 9 years old or so--- with thicker fingers, better impulse control, and done with naps. The bird may scream during nap-times and you will not be able to stop the screaming by running over to the bird, because (while this will stop the screaming) it will create a problem behavior and increase the likelihood of screaming in the future. In an attention seeking screamer, every single person has to ignore the screaming and that is very hard for adults (let alone kids).

For many people, if their kid gets bitten and has to have stitches (and then cries every time the bird is in the same room), it would be very easy to get protective/emotional and fatalistic (e.g.,"this bird is a danger to my child and he is terrorizing him- we must now re-home him"--which would not fair to the bird but it happens all the time)..Birds often annoy non-preferred people already, so the pressure to "fix" the situation (after a bad bite) could be very contentious if others in the household are already sick of the screaming and mess.

Since parrots also have to get 10-14 hours of dark, uninterrupted sleep each night, you will want to make sure that the time you schedule with your bird isn't late at night/ too early in the morning---time doesn't matter so much as the hours of sleep. Also, someone will have to be around nightly and each morning to uncover the bird and re-cover the bird. This gets tricky when work runs late or the kids have a soccer game etc.

I always say this to potential bird owners because it's one of the most annoying realities of owning a bird---it's surprisingly easy to kill them with scented stuff and Teflon/PTFE/PFOA (which is hidden all over the place---impossible to identify visually due to its many forms).

Make sure you research all about the dangers of Teflon/PTFE/PFOA (which can off-gas when heated and kill birds through doors and on different floors of the home). It's all over in kitchen stuff, but also in curling irons, irons, blow dryers, space-heaters etc. Once you have a bird, you will have to call the company before trusting anything you own that heats.

Similarly, all scented products (including standard household cleaners), candles, carpet shampoos, flea baths, bug sprays, aerosols, smoke, burning food, polishes/paints/glues, perfumes and air fresheners will have to become a thing of the past..the list goes on...they have super sensitive respiratory systems.

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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Wow that is amazing information you shared with me !! We will defiantly be waiting a while and considering everything you mentioned . Everything you wrote has helped us make the decision we do have to wait for sure . I must google all of that stuff as well you mentioned with the different chemicals for sure . Thank you so much for all of your information I appreciate it so much !!
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Wow that is amazing information you shared with me !! We will defiantly be waiting a while and considering everything you mentioned . Everything you wrote has helped us make the decision we do have to wait for sure . I must google all of that stuff as well you mentioned with the different chemicals for sure . Thank you so much for all of your information I appreciate it so much !!
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Re: Hi ! Some parrots questions for everyone :)

Here are some good links. The 1st one cross-references all of its stories, so none of it is anecdotal--please note, according to DuPont (Teflon manufacturer), the dangerous off-gassing temperatures are, supposedly, quite high, but birds die when these coatings are used within supposedly "safe" temp ranges--birds have died without food burning with teflon/ptfe/pfoa was heated within the low 300s (F):

https://www.ewg.org/research/canarie...on-kills-birds <--must read.

https://healthypets.mercola.com/site..._rid=447110288 <---this link summarizes most of what I said about Teflon and chemicals/scents in general (including the dangers of cleaning products, smoke, fumes etc).

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/lo.../101-531052330

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