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Old 05-31-2019, 10:24 AM
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Good luck. Hoping all resolves in Cheese's favor.
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Hi all, just wanted to update everyone. Well, it has been an extremely long day to say the least. The avian specialist found one laceration on Cheese’s left foot, right underneath the ID band and one laceration in her thigh. Both look older and they are probably stemming from the pet store. As far as the hunching, due to the sudden onset, they are going with the theory of trauma or injury. The x-rays they took at the ER were done incorrectly ($600.00 later), so they would need to be repeated. We decided to give her a break and not put her under anesthesia again, as she was observed for a few hours and looks like she is able to hold her head up when she wants. A fracture wouldn’t allow for it, so it could be soft tissue. We were sent home with Meloxicam and told to come back in a week.

Mac, her sibling, is doing well. No symptoms.

I also consulted with another Avian specialist online. His answer will follow.

Thank you so much for all of your support.

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From the online Avian vet:
I'm sorry that your question wasn't answered in a timely manner. Thank you for the excellent photo. This posture is consistent with neuropathy associated with malnutrition as well as spinal kyphosis. What have your birds been eating, please? Seeds should comprise less than 20% of their diet. A diet of mainly seed and nuts has excessive fat, carbohydrates, and phosphorus; marginal protein; adequate vitamin E, and are deficient in amino acids, calcium, available phosphorus, sodium, manganese, zinc, iron, vitamins A, D3 (necessary for efficient absorption of calcium), K, and B12, riboflavin, pantothenic acid, choline, and available niacin. Ideally, a balanced pelleted diet such as can be found here: www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com or here: www.lafeber.com/pet-birds should be fed as well as hard-boiled egg yolk, pancakes and cornbread, the tops of fresh greens, dairy products such as yogurt and cheese, fresh fruits such as apples, pears, melon, kiwi, and berries, vegetables such as broccoli, carrots, beets, asparagus, cabbage, sweet potato, and squash, and even tiny pieces of meat.
Please respond with further questions or concerns if you wish.

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Hi Doctor, thank you for answering. She is on a pellet diet, not seeds. Their food is:
https://www.chewy.com/kaytee-e…
However, the ER doctor noted she is on the thin side. Is the condition reversible with dietary/supplement changes and also, can the onset be so sudden? She developed this posture in less than an hour.

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Thank you. I'm pleased to hear that they're eating well, although I do need to consider that the current batch of pellets may be lacking in a micronutrient(s).

No, I wouldn't expect such peracute (sudden) postural change due to malnutrition or spinal kyphosis unless a pathologic fracture occurred in her spine. That's usually due to an imbalance in serum calcium/phosphorus (rickets). I would X-ray such a bird and perform basic diagnostics in the form of blood and droppings testing. Consultation with an avian vet (www.aav.org) is recommended. Please continue our conversation if you wish
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Re: New Member in Desperate Help

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapotee View Post
Hi all, just wanted to update everyone. Well, it has been an extremely long day to say the least. The avian specialist found one laceration on Cheese’s left foot, right underneath the ID band and one laceration in her thigh. Both look older and they are probably stemming from the pet store. As far as the hunching, due to the sudden onset, they are going with the theory of trauma or injury. The x-rays they took at the ER were done incorrectly ($600.00 later), so they would need to be repeated. We decided to give her a break and not put her under anesthesia again, as she was observed for a few hours and looks like she is able to hold her head up when she wants. A fracture wouldn’t allow for it, so it could be soft tissue. We were sent home with Meloxicam and told to come back in a week.

Mac, her sibling, is doing well. No symptoms.

I also consulted with another Avian specialist online. His answer will follow.

Thank you so much for all of your support.

Thank you for the update Zapotee. Hoping that Cheese has a speedy and full recovery. Keep us posted .
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Re: New Member in Desperate Help

The specialist who physically examined Cheese seems to take a conservative approach; if soft tissue injury you ought see improvement over time with Meloxicam. I share your concern with sedation for additional x-rays. Were the originals at all helpful, anything of value?
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Re: New Member in Desperate Help

Welcome to the forum! How awful. Glad that Cheese has been given treatment and I wish for a speedy recovery! Thanks for updating and keep us posted.
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Hi all,
Cheese is gone. I’m so heartbroken. We noticed a slight improvement yesterday, but it was short lived. When I gave her the medicine, I noticed she was having a lot of difficulty with use of one leg and was not grasping the perches correctly. She was also contorting her body against the cage, trying to place her back firmly against the bars, almost as if you were trying to lay flat against the wall. I am assuming whatever injury or condition she had was painful and the pressure against the wall gave her relief. However, she was still very playful, eating, drinking, playing with toys etc. We called the vet and since she was active, we were told to wait the night. We were supposed to head there today at 9:00 am.

We decided to move them both out of their larger cage, into a smaller one and set everything low and cushioned. However, at around 9:00 pm, I saw her going to the bottom to sleep and Mac went with her to cuddle. At 11:00 pm, I heard Mac flying back to a perch, went to check on her and she was in her last moments. I got her out and cuddled her to sleep. I can’t deal with this pain. I feel I did all of the wrong things. Maybe I should have pushed for another x-ray. Is Mac going to die too? I am so lost.

We are getting her necropsied in hopes of saving Mac.

He is still in sleeping position and does not move. He’s so heartbroken. My poor baby.

I will update on the necropsy results when I get them. This was such a weird onset of symptoms, which I could not find anything about online. I’m learning we, the owner’s, are probably the only hope for these little creatures. The more information we can get to, the better. Maybe my baby’s short life with us, can help a future bird parent save their fluffy’s life.

Any advice regarding safekeeping poor Mackie is appreciated.

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Regarding the question on the x-ray, the Avian doctor pretty much dismissed the whole report. She took our one copy, but will request another one and will upload that also.
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Re: New Member in Desperate Help

I’m so sorry for your loss. I lost a precious baby boy of my own last year too. It sounds to me like you did everything you could, and it’s good that you were there to comfort her at the end and remind her how much she was loved. The necropsy hopefully will give you valuable information - I wonder given her symptoms if she had ingested something like some type of heavy metal?

Fly free little one, you are loved and will always be missed ❤️
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Re: New Member in Desperate Help

Keep your bird in the refrigerator, not. The freezer.
I am so sorry for your loss.

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