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Jkohnen31 said:

Thanks. Honestly the two birds will probably never go near each other this little parakeet had no interest. I do have a question though, even if the new bird of disease tested is there a risk?


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Jkohnen31 said:

Thanks. Honestly the two birds will probably never go near each other this little parakeet had no interest. I do have a question though, even if the new bird of disease tested is there a risk?


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Some of the sneakiest/worst diseases out there (and potentially deadly) are those that they do not routinely test for in shops , before adoption, or before travel etc. Those are things with potentially long and silent incubation periods, like PDD, ABV and PBFD. Some studies estimate that more than 40% of the US captive parrot population is actively carrying and asymptomatically spreading one of these. Unfortunately, the tests required to check for these diseases are not particularly cheap (blood/pcr panel for those each specifically) and if a bird is under stress and a carrier, they are more likely to test positive (even if they have no symptoms) than a bird who is not stress and also a carrier (who may get a false negative). False positives don't really occur, but false negatives are not uncommon (depending on the time of testing, incubation period etc etc). Think about how COVID has been, but with the understanding that the incubation period for something like abv or pdd can be 2 weeks, to over 10 years (and some are contagious right away, whereas others are not, and some show symptoms and die, while others never do, but even then, it can take many years for symptoms to show....Testing is a challenge in birds without symptoms.

During initial quarantine (during that 45 day-3 month span) it's best if you can have your birds in totally separate homes due to HVAC issues (there was just a post on this yesterday and someone's avian vet said the same thing-- a different house is best). If you cannot do that, you can try separating them in rooms that are spaced out, but again, that is not completely without risk. If you want to be as safe as possible, the vet advice I mentioned above is not incorrect. If you have to quarantine in the same home, I'd consider good air purifiers (true hepa, smallest micron filtration available, non-ionizing, sanitizing or ozone producing (as all of those features are harmful to birds, although it is okay to run one with those settings as long as they can be turned off and never go on automatically).
Changing clothes between handing and washing hands extremely well is also very important when you touch anything that belongs to either bird, or if either bird climbs onto you. Honestly, even just being in the same room with a really dusty bird merits a change of clothes before going to see the other.



Since birds are very stressed when re-homed, quarantine is a good time to get both tested (not driving to the vet in the same car, at the same time...obviously)...It's not 100% accurate, but better than testing in times of low-stress.


Birds in new homes are more likely to shed viral particles and the diseases I mentioned about can shed in the air via dust etc, as well as on clothing/hands etc. That is why they say you should quarantine, because even in an asymptomatic carrier, times of stress are the times when spread is more likely. The PDD/ABV virus is also extremely small, difficult to "kill" and can stay stable in the environment for over a year.

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Littleredbeak said:

I’d get your budgie a birdy friend. Birds need companionship and if you can’t give him that (him not wanting it from you and you looking for a different/much larger typeof bird) Id personally get your budgie a friends(maybe another budgie?) I at one time had a budgie (I miss him terribly) who I got a friend for - Luvie my lovebird (I wanted a less independent bird and Davy my budgie craved a birdy friend) and they both got along so well! Davy was still a baby and I think that’s why it work out so well with the different types of birds. Davy and I both got what we wanted. Davy loved watching other budgies on YouTube and I knew he needed a birdy friend to be truly happy.

I personally adore conures and don’t know too much about cockatiels. If you’d like a more dependent bird I think looking more in-depth about the different types of conures is the way to go.

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Jkohnen31 said:

noodles123 said:

Jkohnen31 said:

Thanks. Honestly the two birds will probably never go near each other this little parakeet had no interest. I do have a question though, even if the new bird of disease tested is there a risk?


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Some of the sneakiest/worst diseases out there (and potentially deadly) are those that they do not routinely test for in shops , before adoption, or before travel etc. Those are things with potentially long and silent incubation periods, like PDD, ABV and PBFD. Some studies estimate that more than 40% of the US captive parrot population is actively carrying and asymptomatically spreading one of these. Unfortunately, the tests required to check for these diseases are not particularly cheap (blood/pcr panel for those each specifically) and if a bird is under stress and a carrier, they are more likely to test positive (even if they have no symptoms) than a bird who is not stress and also a carrier (who may get a false negative). False positives don't really occur, but false negatives are not uncommon (depending on the time of testing, incubation period etc etc). Think about how COVID has been, but with the understanding that the incubation period for something like abv or pdd can be 2 weeks, to over 10 years (and some are contagious right away, whereas others are not, and some show symptoms and die, while others never do, but even then, it can take many years for symptoms to show....Testing is a challenge in birds without symptoms.

During initial quarantine (during that 45 day-3 month span) it's best if you can have your birds in totally separate homes due to HVAC issues (there was just a post on this yesterday and someone's avian vet said the same thing-- a different house is best). If you cannot do that, you can try separating them in rooms that are spaced out, but again, that is not completely without risk. If you want to be as safe as possible, the vet advice I mentioned above is not incorrect. If you have to quarantine in the same home, I'd consider good air purifiers (true hepa, smallest micron filtration available, non-ionizing, sanitizing or ozone producing (as all of those features are harmful to birds, although it is okay to run one with those settings as long as they can be turned off and never go on automatically).
Changing clothes between handing and washing hands extremely well is also very important when you touch anything that belongs to either bird, or if either bird climbs onto you. Honestly, even just being in the same room with a really dusty bird merits a change of clothes before going to see the other.



Since birds are very stressed when re-homed, quarantine is a good time to get both tested (not driving to the vet in the same car, at the same time...obviously)...It's not 100% accurate, but better than testing in times of low-stress.


Birds in new homes are more likely to shed viral particles and the diseases I mentioned about can shed in the air via dust etc, as well as on clothing/hands etc. That is why they say you should quarantine, because even in an asymptomatic carrier, times of stress are the times when spread is more likely. The PDD/ABV virus is also extremely small, difficult to "kill" and can stay stable in the environment for over a year.

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Thanks. So I’m trying to adopt a bird from a residue that is currently being fostered in a different home. So does this work as being quarantined? He had been seen by a Avian vet and been disease tested. So what are my next steps??

I really appreciate all your help


Mirrors, tents, huts, shadowy spaces of any sort should genuinely be avoided at all costs (excluding 1 debatable exception, which would be the Quaker parrot, and again, that is VERY VERY debatable).


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noodles123 said:

Jkohnen31 said:

noodles123 said:

Some of the sneakiest/worst diseases out there (and potentially deadly) are those that they do not routinely test for in shops , before adoption, or before travel etc. Those are things with potentially long and silent incubation periods, like PDD, ABV and PBFD. Some studies estimate that more than 40% of the US captive parrot population is actively carrying and asymptomatically spreading one of these. Unfortunately, the tests required to check for these diseases are not particularly cheap (blood/pcr panel for those each specifically) and if a bird is under stress and a carrier, they are more likely to test positive (even if they have no symptoms) than a bird who is not stress and also a carrier (who may get a false negative). False positives don't really occur, but false negatives are not uncommon (depending on the time of testing, incubation period etc etc). Think about how COVID has been, but with the understanding that the incubation period for something like abv or pdd can be 2 weeks, to over 10 years (and some are contagious right away, whereas others are not, and some show symptoms and die, while others never do, but even then, it can take many years for symptoms to show....Testing is a challenge in birds without symptoms.

During initial quarantine (during that 45 day-3 month span) it's best if you can have your birds in totally separate homes due to HVAC issues (there was just a post on this yesterday and someone's avian vet said the same thing-- a different house is best). If you cannot do that, you can try separating them in rooms that are spaced out, but again, that is not completely without risk. If you want to be as safe as possible, the vet advice I mentioned above is not incorrect. If you have to quarantine in the same home, I'd consider good air purifiers (true hepa, smallest micron filtration available, non-ionizing, sanitizing or ozone producing (as all of those features are harmful to birds, although it is okay to run one with those settings as long as they can be turned off and never go on automatically).
Changing clothes between handing and washing hands extremely well is also very important when you touch anything that belongs to either bird, or if either bird climbs onto you. Honestly, even just being in the same room with a really dusty bird merits a change of clothes before going to see the other.



Since birds are very stressed when re-homed, quarantine is a good time to get both tested (not driving to the vet in the same car, at the same time...obviously)...It's not 100% accurate, but better than testing in times of low-stress.


Birds in new homes are more likely to shed viral particles and the diseases I mentioned about can shed in the air via dust etc, as well as on clothing/hands etc. That is why they say you should quarantine, because even in an asymptomatic carrier, times of stress are the times when spread is more likely. The PDD/ABV virus is also extremely small, difficult to "kill" and can stay stable in the environment for over a year.

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Thanks. So I’m trying to adopt a bird from a residue that is currently being fostered in a different home. So does this work as being quarantined? He had been seen by a Avian vet and been disease tested. So what are my next steps??

I really appreciate all your help


Mirrors, tents, huts, shadowy spaces of any sort should genuinely be avoided at all costs (excluding 1 debatable exception, which would be the Quaker parrot, and again, that is VERY VERY debatable).


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No, it does not apply if they have other birds in the home or if they have had them there recently. You still need to technically quarantine, because even their "healthy" birds could be "unhealthy"..Having said that, there is often some risk either way. When you adopt one, the risk is semi-contained, but whenever your bring two together, you do face a risk.


Also- do not assume your bird will get along with another bird just because it is the same species...Think about how humans meets and don't always get along in school (same idea). It is NOT essential to get a bird for another bird, unless you personally can handle the time commitment (in the event that each needs 3 hours of separate time out of his/her cage).

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Jkohnen31 said:

noodles123 said:

Jkohnen31 said:

Thanks. So I’m trying to adopt a bird from a residue that is currently being fostered in a different home. So does this work as being quarantined? He had been seen by a Avian vet and been disease tested. So what are my next steps??

I really appreciate all your help


Mirrors, tents, huts, shadowy spaces of any sort should genuinely be avoided at all costs (excluding 1 debatable exception, which would be the Quaker parrot, and again, that is VERY VERY debatable).


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No, it does not apply if they have other birds in the home or if they have had them there recently. You still need to technically quarantine, because even their "healthy" birds could be "unhealthy"..Having said that, there is often some risk either way. When you adopt one, the risk is semi-contained, but whenever your bring two together, you do face a risk.


Also- do not assume your bird will get along with another bird just because it is the same species...Think about how humans meets and don't always get along in school (same idea). It is NOT essential to get a bird for another bird, unless you personally can handle the time commitment (in the event that each needs 3 hours of separate time out of his/her cage).

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Thank you so much!!!! I am going to keep working in my parakeet. I watch her and she definitely likes us to be in the room but she just doesn’t want to be touch. Maybe she’ll get there someday.


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noodles123 said:

Jkohnen31 said:

noodles123 said:

No, it does not apply if they have other birds in the home or if they have had them there recently. You still need to technically quarantine, because even their "healthy" birds could be "unhealthy"..Having said that, there is often some risk either way. When you adopt one, the risk is semi-contained, but whenever your bring two together, you do face a risk.


Also- do not assume your bird will get along with another bird just because it is the same species...Think about how humans meets and don't always get along in school (same idea). It is NOT essential to get a bird for another bird, unless you personally can handle the time commitment (in the event that each needs 3 hours of separate time out of his/her cage).

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Thank you so much!!!! I am going to keep working in my parakeet. I watch her and she definitely likes us to be in the room but she just doesn’t want to be touch. Maybe she’ll get there someday.


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try to leave her cage door open if you are home and can watch--- if you think you can do it safely (windows covered, fans off etc). See if moving at her pace makes a difference-- they move at freakishly slow rates compared to humans....Humans are like, "It's been a whole month and he still hates me!", parrots are likem, "It's been 10 hours and this joker thinks I trust him/her?!?!? hahah"

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