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Old 03-29-2018, 10:41 AM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

I too resorted to a shock collar. I spent huge money on it after weeks of research talking to trainers etc. My dog as a new rescue, had such a high chase drive he was hardly off a lead and for weeks had trailed a line, However as a large and very fast animal he would be a quarter of a mile away before you could say whoops!

I trained him very carefully to the collar but not before I had tried it on myself. I only taught him to recall with it and in one session he got the idea. The tone and ultimately the shock, which to him felt just like a tickle through his coat at the lowest effective setting, simply reminded him of my existence when everything else had shut down when on high drive. As an essentially obedient dog once he realised that I meant it when I gave a command no matter the distance he didn't need it. He cottoned on in one training session and I used it just 4 times on shock when he simply didn't respond to anything else.

What did it do for him? It gave him his freedom. He could go off lead anywhere, no shock collar necessary and eventually he would return to my clapping hands or hand signal. I never shouted at my dog. I have seen barbaric videos of these collars used by cruel power drunk creeps, who should never have a dog, and in this country there are moves afoot to ban them. Like all training aids it's the idiots that give things a bad name.
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:12 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

Thank you guys for your feedback on the E-collars!

Hearing from you, and seeing why and in what circumstances they’re typically used for, gives me a better underatanding of it.

I’m sure they are a good tool when used properly, and in the moments you really need it to train a dog who is determined to roam or chase otherwise.

Maybe it feels like the electrical stimulating device (TENS - transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) that chiropractors and physical therapists use on us to relax muscles?

Of course there are always the idiots who will abuse it unfortunately.

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Long story, but a breeder here who knows the reputable breeders for TRD (Thai Ridgeback Dog) who had puppies now, led me to 2 in Eastern Europe. He is coming from Hungary. I’m very happy with this breeder. Very professional, has great dogs, and awesome communication although the English is not the greatest.

Man, what a process.. all the paperwork getting from and to the correct place at specific times is quite the headache if you’re not familiar with it. With me knowing absolutely nothing about live animal international travel, the breeder’s feeble command of the English language, and surprisingly, my US customs broker being somewhat of a dingbat, it made for a bit of a hectic time as you can imagine! I think I understand it all now?

Dani and Jackie, your dogs are beautiful !

Breeder’s pics are on Facebook. I promise I’ll post some in just a little while .
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Old 03-29-2018, 01:32 PM
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:34 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

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Thank you guys for your feedback on the E-collars!

Hearing from you, and seeing why and in what circumstances theyíre typically used for, gives me a better underatanding of it.

Iím sure they are a good tool when used properly, and in the moments you really need it to train a dog who is determined to roam or chase otherwise.

Maybe it feels like the electrical stimulating device (TENS - transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) that chiropractors and physical therapists use on us to relax muscles?

Of course there are always the idiots who will abuse it unfortunately.

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Long story, but a breeder here who knows the reputable breeders for TRD (Thai Ridgeback Dog) who had puppies now, led me to 2 in Eastern Europe. He is coming from Hungary. Iím very happy with this breeder. Very professional, has great dogs, and awesome communication although the English is not the greatest.

Man, what a process.. all the paperwork getting from and to the correct place at specific times is quite the headache if youíre not familiar with it. With me knowing absolutely nothing about live animal international travel, the breederís feeble command of the English language, and surprisingly, my US customs broker being somewhat of a dingbat, it made for a bit of a hectic time as you can imagine! I think I understand it all now?

Dani and Jackie, your dogs are beautiful !

Breederís pics are on Facebook. I promise Iíll post some in just a little while .
Oh for sure, they give a zap that catches the animalís attention! I have tried it on myself at the highest settings, nothing like a stun gun! Even my kids(wimps), tried it! My daughter and hubby us only the beeps now, they also use the beep as a positive feedback! Dogs love the collars when they see themómeans Adventure!!
OT, stun guns, my neighbor picked up a high end model for protection. Well, I asked to see it, put it on my arm, and pulled the trigger! I then handed it back to her and said, "wow! That is a strong model, should work!" Sorta ruined her day! Have to admit, have been around very high voltage most of my life and have developed some Ďunusualí reactions to shocks!
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

Also, I know for sure you were talking to me, because my shirt today actually says Iím a dog person...


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Old 03-29-2018, 07:55 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

David I canr believe you did that with the stun gun! That's pretty funny though.

Lol Dani, now you need a shirt that says dog/bird person. Especially with Tsali on your shoulder .
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

I’m so excited for you all Julie!! Just be careful, ridgebacks as a rule have high prey drive, keep extra safety protocols in place
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:56 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

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I’m so excited for you all Julie!! Just be careful, ridgebacks as a rule have high prey drive, keep extra safety protocols in place
Thanks Chris! Oh for sure. Double and triple safety protocols! As well as intensive training from the beginning. At least I have been sent from the breeder a video clip and photos showing TRD with and ignoring or co-existing with birds (one a cockatiel, one with a Congo grey and one dog with a timheh grey!).

I know... I am not even going to plan on it. I just want the training to be an ‘extra’ protocol!

Are you familiar with the Thais Chris? Distant relatives of Rhodesian Ridgebacks.
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Old 03-30-2018, 02:01 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

As to prey drive, my dog has loads of it. But he is very protective of ďhis birdsĒ lol. I donít post pics of them together here both because it isnít allowed and because I donít want people to assume it is safe without knowing everything that went into it.

When we got a Ranger we only taught him one thing; ďno.Ē We only taught him his boundaries. He flourished just knowing what was allowed and what wasnít. One thing we did not allow was him staring at the birds. It might seem excessive, but we didnít even let him look. Sure, he could see them, but he wasnít allowed to fixate on them, even in their cages, even across the room. He was not allowed to treat them
Like prey even in his mind. It worked extremely well. That wonít work with every dog obviously, but it did with Ranger. Over time (he is now 5 years old) he has come to view the birds as his family members and often times HE will alert me to a problem with them before they do.


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Old 03-30-2018, 02:40 PM
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Re: Calling all DOG PEOPLE!!!

That’s great that Ranger was taught the difference at an early age, between wild animals and the bird family members.

That’s exactly how I plan on training my pup. Obviously since he has eyes he’ll “see” the birds, but won’t be allowed to stare or obsess on. Also to get him to know that the birds are beloved members of the “pack”. I guess they pick up on that after being trained to ignore? Dogs are super smart, and I’ll do whatever I need to, to keep my birds safe.

Thais as a breed are an “ancient” dog. Interestingly, they’re not a “man made” breed, and have survived through natural selection in their native land for centuries. Therefore, they are hardy, and aren’t typically plagued with a plethora of health problems that many purebreds are through selective breeding for breed development. They were brought outside of Thailand to the rest of the world in the mid 1990’s. They are said to be relatively rare even in Thailand today.

That said, being an ancient dog with feral roots, they have strong instincts if left to their own devices. They are a strong, independent breed used as an all around all purpose working dog in Thailand. That means guarding, hunting, companion, etc.

TRD are said to not be a breed for a beginner with dogs. I am going into this with as much education as possible (for a couple years) and plan to get professional help as well. I am not “totally and completely” clueless, but I am aware that I need to take as much responsibility going into this as a newer bird person getting a large macaw and doing it right.
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