Could use some information if you have it.

So In April I will be doing a talks at a big bird club in my area. They have asked to cover the rescue I am with which another lady will be taking care of, but they have asked me to cover a very strong topic. This topic is PDD, I have a very good understanding of the disease and the way it affects parrots the way to detect it and so on. I have been around birds with it and had studied it for the past 2years. I'm not a vet or a avian specialist by any matter but I do have quite the understanding and have talked to some world class vets that research it as well(on a higher level) about it and they are surprised at what I know and they have used sme of my research and so on I there ideas and write ups, I of course allowed them to. I have read many many articles and a lot of various write ups from a vet council that meets up every year to discuss things from all over the world I have there USB drive of there findings. What I would really like is if anyone has some information or write up that could help me it would be appreciated. All authors will be given credit.

In this presentation which will be in front of over two hundered people:11:. I need to compile my own findings and some rebuttable scientific findings into one big speech and present it. This means I want to be as prepared as I can be, as far as my side of the research goes I am ready(obviously), but if any knowledge you have could be brought to my attention I will look over it and see if there is anything new and would love to add more to my presentation from other sources. What I have already is about two to three pages full of just my information and then probably five or six of vet or scientific findings that have been published and so on.

So any help is appreciated and I can't wait to see what you guys may dig up that I may have missed or what your own expirences or knowledge may be.

Thanks so much
-justin

Here's an article from December, that may be the most current publicly posted info: World Parrot Trust - Forums and Experts

While much of the info we have available is for PDD, the new discussions are for Avian Bornavirus, so you might check for other updates under that.....

I'm not really sure you need to provide any information because all of the published info (at least info that your audience will have access to) will not really be rebuttable.....whose going to have any contravening data on that subject?

Now if you want to get spiffy, you could do a Power Point or similar presentation of the various stages of the disease.....

Good luck

weco my informoation that is housed on a flash drive is the most reputtable information they have it has stuff on there about what genotypes pdd effects, what cures are in progress. the flash drive is worth hundereds of dollars and i only aquired it because a big person at our rescue purchased it and gave it to me to study. so everything i currently have is the best you will find and my own expirences are as real as it gets. all my research combined at the moment makes for a very great presantation. I have been on the link you posted and it just skims what this other information is sadly...

thanks for sharing though and it will come to use!

id share whats on the flash drive, but that would lead me into legal issues sorry.

Wow Jt , I'm impressed. 200 people ! Dont know the details, only that it's a deadly disease.
You have been researching for years so I don't know if this site makes a difference.

Avian Bornavirus

Does the information you have indicate which genotype of avian bornavirus is likely responsible for PDD?

Yes soda there are 3 that are responsible, but one of the three could turn out that the bird only becomes a carrier of PDD and never dies but it can also be deadly under certain circumstances and the other two are the infectious and deadly kind, I will look back over that part and see, I could get you the numbers if you'd like of which genotypes they are if you aRe interested.

Thanks bird lover I will look over it and see if there is anything I can use!

Yes, I'd like that info.

I know someone whose Eclectus has tested positive to ABV. This bird is a rehomed bird who displayed wing flipping and toe tapping along with chewing on her legs when the toe tapping was severe. Lots of testing done to figure out what was wrong with the bird and lots of things tried.

After the positive ABV test the vet prescribed Celebrex. The bird no longer wing flips, toe taps or chews its legs.

She did not present the PDD symptoms like food in feces.

I know several people whose vets thought their birds had PDD. These are birds that died. Necropsy showed that the birds did NOT. One died from e-coli. I cannot recall what they other two died from but it was not PDD.

I worry that some vets expect PDD when they cannot figure out what is wrong.

Soda Abv positive is nothing to worry about, you can have positive and negatives in your house and the negatives may never become positive it is so iffy. Like for example my two eclectus are negative, but my one blue and gold is positive so they could get Abv but they probably won't. I k ow my other birds are a mix. The test is virtually worthless and there is so much unknow yet that it cannot detect anything. Celebrex is an anti inflammatory so that is probably why the behavior stopped not because the bird is infected with PDD. So if the behaviors were due to something in the body like let's say diet that had her body inflamed or something unatural occurring because of diet or whatever it may be, that is why the Celebrex helped. The Abv test is used by some vets that ether don't know or just want money honestly. I hate to say it but that is how it is. If they know it is not a guaranteed test and so on the vets still use it just for profit.


Yes the sad issue is if a vet doesn't know what a bird has they will fall back on PDD just to give the owner an answer. I've seen and heard of it happening sooo many times now it is upsetting. That's like in the dog and cat world skin issues are so hard to fix vets just say its thyroid related when it probably isnt.

I will pm you the genotypes later when I get my laptop.

So, Justin do you think the ABV tests are inaccurate or do you think most birds with ABV do not carry the exact genotype that causes PDD or do you think that most birds who test positive to ABV never develop PDD?

Did you know that VMDlabs.com is is accepting a limited number of samples from clinically, well-documented cases of birds affected with myenteric ganglioneuritis (Proventricular Dilation Disease, PDD) for validation of a molecular disease test?

I think Dr Dahlhausen is doing great work. It would be fabulous if he develops an accurate dna test for PDD.

Then there is the Texas group that has been working with feces for testing, right? Avian BornaVirus(ABV) PCR Testing Services - Texas A&M Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences They are also dedicated to this research.

i Think ABV tests are accurate that is for sure, i believe the chances are exactly 1/3 of birds will have abv. when the rescue had 100 birds we did a test to give extra research and this showed true as 35 came out positive i believe. I believe that most cases the genotypes do not match up and you end up just having an ABV positive bird, but they do match up and then they do get pdd on occasions. Most birds can test positive and never get pdd, but you know lets just say that 1 out of 1000 can get it. The other big issue is that pdd can sit dorminate in an infected bird upto 7 years or more, 7 was the highest recorded. so a bird coul come infected years before then you take it in and think it is fine and boom change of life and the bird sheds pdd and ends up dieing of it. then you have a real issue because other birds could become infected. I had this scare once honestly and i was just dumbfonded that it could be like this, thats what has made me do all this.

i Have heard something of them doing that, but i have not looked into it. I know of two umbrellas surviving with pdd for the last 2 years that i could submit. If the owner would like me to. I also know of a lady that has been keeping pdd infected birds and prefectly healthy birds alive in the same house for years. The house is set up like a big quarentine vet office but she has it down to a science.

yes Dr.Dalhausen is doing an amazing job and he isnt afraid to point out the truths about the ABV test ether. i really hate that he had government funding and then they took it from him...

I have some things from that texas group and talked to people that talked to them about there findings. They are also doing a great job. the other leaders in these are a group of european vets that have a great handle on some medicines that are working other then celebrex and one has a very great idea of how pdd becomes a neuro disease.