Influenza, a cautionary tale

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I call it by its ancestral name. The "flu" is Influenza, a viral scourge responsible for countless human deaths and pandemics through the ages.

Last week I was recovering from a common cold, but developed abdominal and back pain Monday. Saw my primary doc on Wednesday, had a chest X-Ray and labs. He thought the upper back pain might be pleurisy, inflammation of the lung lining. Palpating my abdomen sparked the concern for liver or pancreas issues. My labs posted late Wednesday night with the outlier of pancreas enzyme Lipase off the chart high at greater than 400 vs the norm at or below 58. I Googled feverishly and was not happy with potential pancreas issues.

Doctor called Friday with concerns of pancreatitis and ordered me to the ER with plans to possibly stay 3 to 5 days. The ER was jammed with waves of folks coughing, puking, lethargic bodies on chairs, plus the usual suspects on a Friday night at this regional trauma center. Had EKG, abdominal ultrasound, labs, and X-Ray. When I saw the attending physician for a summary, his diagnosis floored me. I had a moderate case of pancreatitis* that was likely caused by the flu. The cold was almost certainly an aborted case of one of the three strains protected by the current flu vaccine I received in November. When this happens, it presents as a cold, but the body is still attacked by the flu virus. In many cases it harms one or more organs, with me, the pancreas. The Lipase levels in the ER were much lower than the prior test Wednesday, so it was resolving. Traditional treatment is to cease oral foods and receive several days of IV fluids, nourishment, and meds.

Influenza is rampant across most of the U.S. and likely present in other nations. For those in the U.S, the CDC interactive map is amazing. You can click on each state/territory for local updates, or view prior weeks by sliding the red cursor near the top to the left. It is currently widespread across most of the U.S. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

I don't wish to discuss the controversial aspects of vaccination, a highly emotional and divisive subject in the U.S. However, Influenza is a terribly contagious killer; if you have symptoms, please be cautious and seek help immediately. Onset is fairly rapid and hits hard: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/consumer/symptoms.htm


*Pancreatitis is inflammation of the pancreas, a vital organ. Often caused by excessive drinking, smoking, gall stones, and diabetes. None of these apply to me, so my fear Wednesday night while Googling trusted sources was the specter of pancreatic cancer.... the absolute worst variety. The internet can be a scary place! Kudos to my excellent primary doc for performing lab tests rather than assume it was a minor transient issue.
 
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Are you still sick or in the hospital? I hope you get better soon if you are. Thankfully you have convinced me to forever more get my flu shot each and every year.
 
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Sorry, should have concluded the OP more definitively. Because my Lipase values had decreased significantly and the typical pancreatitis triggers are not present, the doctor released me to go home with the caveat of follow-up early next week with my primary doc. The pain is tolerable, and my diet is pancreas friendly: Low fat/protein, high fiber emphasizing legumes, tomatoes, broccoli, sweet potatoes, fiber in general, multiple smaller meals. My weakness is sweets, so will have to control for a while!

Bottom line is my pancreatitis is the by product of the flu, not inherent risk factors. If symptoms worsen, straight back to the ER!

My sole reason for posting is to foster a greater awareness of Influenza hazards. It was surprised to learn I likely had the flu, minus the worst physical signs because of an effective vaccine. Many news reports illustrate how untreated or virulent flu can rapidly kill via onslaught of organs, causing shut-down and/or septic shock.
 

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I just got the flu over the weekend myself, and I'm still struggling. I got my vaccine back in October, and I've gotten it for years since I used to work in a retail pharmacy and was exposed constantly. I'm immunocompromised, so it's extra important that I take precautions against getting sick. I'm mostly homebound and I still have no idea where I picked it up, but likely at the grocery store. Wipe your cart handles people! And use hand sanitizer!

I've felt like absolute garbage and have been living off orange gatorade and goldfish crackers. Hoping I'm through the worst of it now, but hospitals in my city were at 100% capacity over the weekend because of how serious it has been here.
 

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I hope you get better soon Scott. Just take it easy for a while and let yourself heal. Seems you have very good medical care over there. I wish you a speedy recovery x
 

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Pesky N3 version of the flu, while the shot targets N1. CDC missed the boat this year.
Feel better my friend.
 
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I just got the flu over the weekend myself, and I'm still struggling. I got my vaccine back in October, and I've gotten it for years since I used to work in a retail pharmacy and was exposed constantly. I'm immunocompromised, so it's extra important that I take precautions against getting sick. I'm mostly homebound and I still have no idea where I picked it up, but likely at the grocery store. Wipe your cart handles people! And use hand sanitizer!

I've felt like absolute garbage and have been living off orange gatorade and goldfish crackers. Hoping I'm through the worst of it now, but hospitals in my city were at 100% capacity over the weekend because of how serious it has been here.

Glad you are feeling a bit better, it is an ordeal, as is the post-recovery process.
 
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I hope you get better soon Scott. Just take it easy for a while and let yourself heal. Seems you have very good medical care over there. I wish you a speedy recovery x

Pesky N3 version of the flu, while the shot targets N1. CDC missed the boat this year.
Feel better my friend.

Thanks much! A little better, but no clear answers.

Last Friday my primary doc directed me to the ER for additional tests. They chose *not* to do the requested CT scan but rather an abdominal ultrasound. Concluded my levels of Lipase enzyme were high but reduced, so bounced me back to primary care. Saw my doc Monday, and he was *not* happy. (ultrasound all but useless for pancreas issues) I have a CT scan scheduled for Thursday, and am on a total liquid diet pending results and further labs next Monday. I do have Acute Pancreatitis, of unknown origin, and lack the typical precursors, so he wants to know "why."

Interestingly, he does not agree with the ER doc's assessment of the flu aborted by vaccine, presenting as a common "cold."

Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(
 

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Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(

Almond milk!? If nuts were meant to be made into liquid, they'd been made squeezable and juicy! Eyaaugh! :(

All kidding aside I didn't even know you could get pancreatitis from the flu! I'm glad you seem to be receiving robust medical care. I'm lucky enough to have insurance but am incorrigibly lazy about ever visiting a doc...

Hope to hear an update that posts how you've made a quick and thorough recovery; it seems pancreatitis has a a fairly short duration when properly treated, happily.
 
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Have been reading the vaccine only appears to be 10% effective this year! And many are developing a pneumonia after! Stats on death rates are discouraging!
 

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Wow this is crazy. Keep following doctor’s orders and hang in there. Feel better. Side note-could it be some kind of med allergy? I have a rare reaction to sulfa - puts me into immediate acute liver failure. Took 4 serious bouts over 10ish years to even figure out that’s why I got so sick every time I had an infection.


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I hope you get better soon Scott. Just take it easy for a while and let yourself heal. Seems you have very good medical care over there. I wish you a speedy recovery x

Pesky N3 version of the flu, while the shot targets N1. CDC missed the boat this year.
Feel better my friend.

Thanks much! A little better, but no clear answers.

Last Friday my primary doc directed me to the ER for additional tests. They chose *not* to do the requested CT scan but rather an abdominal ultrasound. Concluded my levels of Lipase enzyme were high but reduced, so bounced me back to primary care. Saw my doc Monday, and he was *not* happy. (ultrasound all but useless for pancreas issues) I have a CT scan scheduled for Thursday, and am on a total liquid diet pending results and further labs next Monday. I do have Acute Pancreatitis, of unknown origin, and lack the typical precursors, so he wants to know "why."

Interestingly, he does not agree with the ER doc's assessment of the flu aborted by vaccine, presenting as a common "cold."

Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(

Any food can be a liquid if you try hard enough!

Also I recommend the Silk protein plus if you're in need of some extra calories and protein.
 

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Hi Scott,

I’m just seeing your thread now. I’m so sorry you’ve been so ill.

May I suggest juicing. Juicing is an excellent way of getting micronutrients that are rapidly absorbed. So, you can keep with a liquid diet as well as getting optimal nutrition. Drinking fresh juiced fruits and veggies will also aid in your healing process by giving you plant protein, high fiber, antioxidants, vitamins and minerals you need for maximum health. The items you listed will not yield an abundance of nutrition & vitamins to help you heal. Also, juicing will make you feel satisfied as you are actually taking in real food & nutrients.

Good Luck & speedy recovery.
 
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Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(

Almond milk!? If nuts were meant to be made into liquid, they'd been made squeezable and juicy! Eyaaugh! :(

All kidding aside I didn't even know you could get pancreatitis from the flu! I'm glad you seem to be receiving robust medical care. I'm lucky enough to have insurance but am incorrigibly lazy about ever visiting a doc...

Hope to hear an update that posts how you've made a quick and thorough recovery; it seems pancreatitis has a a fairly short duration when properly treated, happily.

Have been reading the vaccine only appears to be 10% effective this year! And many are developing a pneumonia after! Stats on death rates are discouraging!

Wow this is crazy. Keep following doctor’s orders and hang in there. Feel better. Side note-could it be some kind of med allergy? I have a rare reaction to sulfa - puts me into immediate acute liver failure. Took 4 serious bouts over 10ish years to even figure out that’s why I got so sick every time I had an infection.


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Almond milk is pretty good, very thin consistency. Found a "10g" protein variant with organic pea and rice protein added. Basic almond milk has just 1g/serving.

My primary doc poured cold water on the notion of a flu connection. Thought it was like "nailing jello to the wall." Hopefully the CT scan tomorrow will be definitive!

Inger, only med I take is one 81mg aspirin daily. Having bouts of liver failure is awful, glad you now know the offender.
 
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Hi Scott,

I’m just seeing your thread now. I’m so sorry you’ve been so ill.

May I suggest juicing. Juicing is an excellent way of getting micronutrients that are rapidly absorbed. So, you can keep with a liquid diet as well as getting optimal nutrition. Drinking fresh juiced fruits and veggies will also aid in your healing process by giving you plant protein, high fiber, antioxidants, vitamins and minerals you need for maximum health. The items you listed will not yield an abundance of nutrition & vitamins to help you heal. Also, juicing will make you feel satisfied as you are actually taking in real food & nutrients.

Good Luck & speedy recovery.

Thanks Tami!! I would ordinarily never eat Jello, puddings, and thin broths, but the goal is a low-fat and high simple carb liquid diet. The goal is to minimize pancreatic secretions to assist with digestion in the stomach. While complex carbs are normally favored, the process begins in the stomach. Thus, the truly awful sugars are preferred for now. You can bet I am going to de-tox once this is over!
 

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Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(

Almond milk!? If nuts were meant to be made into liquid, they'd been made squeezable and juicy! Eyaaugh! :(

Almonds are squeezable !
Here's proof :)
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imue7RLNGos"]The Carbonaro Effect - Milking Almonds Revealed - YouTube[/ame]

Scott,

We hope your are feeling better and wish you a speedy recovery. Glad you sought medical attention early. I am dealing with a round of pneumonia while Kelly is trying to get rid of her cold / cough.

Poor Arika, hope she doesn't start making coughing sounds :)

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This flu season is no joke and nothing to take chances with. I'm hearing stories of medically induced comas and pneumonia related complications with this year's nasty strain.

Scott, I hope you're feeling much better, hopefully your appointment today will yield good news.

I love the Carbonaro Effect, hilarious.
 
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Ugh, Jello, pudding, broth soups, Gatorade, almond milk..... :(

Almond milk!? If nuts were meant to be made into liquid, they'd been made squeezable and juicy! Eyaaugh! :(

Almonds are squeezable !
Here's proof :)
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imue7RLNGos"]The Carbonaro Effect - Milking Almonds Revealed - YouTube[/ame]

Scott,

We hope your are feeling better and wish you a speedy recovery. Glad you sought medical attention early. I am dealing with a round of pneumonia while Kelly is trying to get rid of her cold / cough.

Poor Arika, hope she doesn't start making coughing sounds :)

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Wishing you and Kelly a fast recovery. Unfortunately, while the flu has garnered deserved attention, very long colds and pneumonia are rampant.

With a bit of luck, Arika won't find coughing worthy of imitation!

Cool video!!
 

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