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Old 03-02-2021, 01:26 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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My neighbor bought one of these electrical things.

Iím sure heís enjoying his new hobby, plugging the damn thing in every night, as opposed to filling his tank up every few weeks.

And of course, he hasnít done the math yet!
What vehicle did he buy? Charging every night vs filling his tank every few weeks doesn't compute unless he hasn't yet developed the comfort to nearly deplete the battery.

Oh, I've done the math and it is well worth the switch in my opinion in conjunction with secondary issues. And don't bother with partisan rebuttal.....
Itís a Ford, I think.

And Iím pretty sure he acknowledges that there arenít any mpg savings here at all.
A lot of reasonable folks contemplate EVs and wisely choose to pass. All depends on your driving profile, where you live, and expectations. Some of the latest models offer 350 miles per charge, comparable or in some cases better than gasoline engine vehicles. For me, the calculation worked on several levels beyond purely financial.
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:34 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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I went deisel back in 2013 with a VW dirty diesel.
My daily drive was ~150 miles. Electric would need change every day.
My Vdub needed filling ever 3 days though I made the drive 4 times twice.

Now I am retired I donít drive more than 30 miles and not often.
Still it has itís uses. When (if thanks to Covid-19) I head up to Oregon to visit relatives I only need stop once for fuel. I hate to to think how many stops and charging time it would take to make the same trip in an EV.

Also what about all the heat when dumping so many watts into the batteries so quickly, and overnight when you are sleeping.
I bought a diesel VW Jetta in 2003, one of the last years the dirty diesel was legal for sale in California. Perfect for my weekly commute and joy rides in between. At the time diesel was considerably cheaper than unleaded, and I rediscovered the joy of a 5-speed!

For long rides you need an electric with good capacity and routing with fast-chargers. Some can fill 60% capacity in 20 minutes or so, good for roughly 200 miles in a Tesla.

Engineers have the heat thing nicely solved with reliable cooling system on demand. Vehicle charging circuitry slows down rate of charge as capacity builds exactly for the reasons you state - heat. Still, most vehicles can fully charge in as few as 4 to 6 hours - good enough for overnight or the workplace.
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:45 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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I went deisel back in 2013 with a VW dirty diesel.
My daily drive was ~150 miles. Electric would need change every day.
My Vdub needed filling ever 3 days though I made the drive 4 times twice.

Now I am retired I donít drive more than 30 miles and not often.
Still it has itís uses. When (if thanks to Covid-19) I head up to Oregon to visit relatives I only need stop once for fuel. I hate to to think how many stops and charging time it would take to make the same trip in an EV.

Also what about all the heat when dumping so many watts into the batteries so quickly, and overnight when you are sleeping.
I bought a diesel VW Jetta in 2003, one of the last years the dirty diesel was legal for sale in California. Perfect for my weekly commute and joy rides in between. At the time diesel was considerably cheaper than unleaded, and I rediscovered the joy of a 5-speed!

For long rides you need an electric with good capacity and routing with fast-chargers. Some can fill 60% capacity in 20 minutes or so, good for roughly 200 miles in a Tesla.

Engineers have the heat thing nicely solved with reliable cooling system on demand. Vehicle charging circuitry slows down rate of charge as capacity builds exactly for the reasons you state - heat. Still, most vehicles can fully charge in as few as 4 to 6 hours - good enough for overnight or the workplace.
I had an earlier Passat with the 5 speed. It was a 96 and the manual trans was fun. With the torque you could start off in 2nd if U wanted to.
Ended up with High pressure fuel pump leak. Would have cost more to fix than what it was worth. Itís a long story but I ended up donating it.
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:51 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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I had an earlier Passat with the 5 speed. It was a 96 and the manual trans was fun. With the torque you could start off in 2nd if U wanted to.
Ended up with High pressure fuel pump leak. Would have cost more to fix than what it was worth. Itís a long story but I ended up donating it.
VW was King of Diesels for good reason! Definitely torquey and fun to drive. When I bought mine, the service manager said the German built motor and Argentinian sourced transmission would be bullet proof. He was right, but the rest of the car had lots of problems! Kind of a bummer when repairs are more costly than what the vehicle's worth. I love cars, wish I could experience a different one every 6 months or so!
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Re: New Electric Automobile

The 2013 Jetta I have has been the most fun car overall.
The Jetta was described on the TDI form as an expensive engine in a cheap car.

I have been through 8 vehicles in my long distance commute.
I would rate my Isuzu Redeo Sport as last.
I still have my GMC Safari (94). Mininvan but still on a truck chassis.
Most comfortable long haul driver I have and can load up with cages in emergency.
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Re: New Electric Automobile

Life in the upper Midwest places long known demands on batteries as not that long ago, bring one's battery inside as night settled in was common. Especially when the temperatures traveled below 0 degrees F.

In our area, EV's tend to disappear during the winter months, much like deeply loved speciality and heritage vehicles.

A quick check found three government charging stations is a forty mile radius.

From a standpoint of miles traveled, clearly Mrs's could operate such a vehicle, but my travels, especially in the Winter months would not be a match with current technology.
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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Life in the upper Midwest places long known demands on batteries as not that long ago, bring one's battery inside as night settled in was common. Especially when the temperatures traveled below 0 degrees F.

In our area, EV's tend to disappear during the winter months, much like deeply loved speciality and heritage vehicles.

A quick check found three government charging stations is a forty mile radius.

From a standpoint of miles traveled, clearly Mrs's could operate such a vehicle, but my travels, especially in the Winter months would not be a match with current technology.
Even Diesel fuel has problems at those low temperatures.
I thought cars in that area had engine block heater you plug in.
Could be EV's would need to use power just to keep warm and functional.
Even then I am sure range would be reduced.
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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Life in the upper Midwest places long known demands on batteries as not that long ago, bring one's battery inside as night settled in was common. Especially when the temperatures traveled below 0 degrees F.

In our area, EV's tend to disappear during the winter months, much like deeply loved speciality and heritage vehicles.

A quick check found three government charging stations is a forty mile radius.

From a standpoint of miles traveled, clearly Mrs's could operate such a vehicle, but my travels, especially in the Winter months would not be a match with current technology.
Even Diesel fuel has problems at those low temperatures.
I thought cars in that area had engine block heater you plug in.
Could be EV's would need to use power just to keep warm and functional.
Even then I am sure range would be reduced.
Diesel's involve an additive to the fuel. Engine block heaters keep the engine oil warm. The batteries now have a 'blanket' device that keeps it warm. Both require them to plug into the 120V system. There is also a device that keeps the inside of the vehicle kind of warm. That's three wires.

Haven't seen anything for EV's 'yet.' Dealerships are 'at this point' are clueless.
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:01 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

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The 2013 Jetta I have has been the most fun car overall.
The Jetta was described on the TDI form as an expensive engine in a cheap car.

I have been through 8 vehicles in my long distance commute.
I would rate my Isuzu Redeo Sport as last.
I still have my GMC Safari (94). Mininvan but still on a truck chassis.
Most comfortable long haul driver I have and can load up with cages in emergency.
"The Jetta was described on the TDI form as an expensive engine in a cheap car."

That's pure gold, Wes!!
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:11 PM
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Re: New Electric Automobile

Quote: Originally Posted by SailBoat View Post
Life in the upper Midwest places long known demands on batteries as not that long ago, bring one's battery inside as night settled in was common. Especially when the temperatures traveled below 0 degrees F.

In our area, EV's tend to disappear during the winter months, much like deeply loved speciality and heritage vehicles.

A quick check found three government charging stations is a forty mile radius.

From a standpoint of miles traveled, clearly Mrs's could operate such a vehicle, but my travels, especially in the Winter months would not be a match with current technology.
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Life in the upper Midwest places long known demands on batteries as not that long ago, bring one's battery inside as night settled in was common. Especially when the temperatures traveled below 0 degrees F.

In our area, EV's tend to disappear during the winter months, much like deeply loved speciality and heritage vehicles.

A quick check found three government charging stations is a forty mile radius.

From a standpoint of miles traveled, clearly Mrs's could operate such a vehicle, but my travels, especially in the Winter months would not be a match with current technology.
Even Diesel fuel has problems at those low temperatures.
I thought cars in that area had engine block heater you plug in.
Could be EV's would need to use power just to keep warm and functional.
Even then I am sure range would be reduced.
Diesel's involve an additive to the fuel. Engine block heaters keep the engine oil warm. The batteries now have a 'blanket' device that keeps it warm. Both require them to plug into the 120V system. There is also a device that keeps the inside of the vehicle kind of warm. That's three wires.

Haven't seen anything for EV's 'yet.' Dealerships are 'at this point' are clueless.
Temperature extremes, particularly cold, are EV range killers! Easily reduced by half, yet they are popular in Northern Europe. (to some degree account government policy) A minor advantage is climate-controlling cabin interior while plugged into charger.
https://insideevs.com/news/324474/bm...eather-impact/
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