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Old 05-21-2019, 10:15 PM
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What to do with unwanted seed

So what do I do with uneaten seeds?

All of my birds started on seeds. Not my choice but that's the way life is. I give them fresh veg, fruit, pellets and some seed. The seed mix is what we get here in Australia as parrot/wild bird mix. Usually it is corn kernels, safflower, red millet, wheat and sunflower seed. Some variation seasonally but generally its the same.

Not one of the birds eat anything but the wheat and the sunflower. The rest of the seeds just go to waste. I can't toss them out into the yard for the wild birds as we have major issues with mice in my town.

I've tried sprouting them with no real success. For some reason no matter how well I keep them rinsed they end up furry.

Any suggestions from anyone?
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:20 PM
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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

What about pellets?
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:27 PM
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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

Can you purchase just the types of seed you want versus a mix? I know many online shops, here in the States anyway, sell individual seed types by the pound to allow people to make their own mixes.

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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

All the birds get pellets but I am still in the process of finding the right one. The last type of pellets were readily taken but made the bird poop stink and turn green. So looking for a better choice. Quite limited in what varieties are available here in Australia. Pellets are still a fairly new concept here.

We had a pretty bad drought here so finding the individual seeds can be a bit tricky. Definitely something I will be looking into. Here most places sell individual seed in 25kg or larger bags. I never thought to look online.
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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

If you put out old seed in a container then it can be taken back in at night to help not attract mice.



If you feed a good quality pellet * and a good, balanced and varied fresh diet then seed isn't really necessary. My AV always says prefer me to feed no seed.



* Organic, no colours, sugar or additives - tried TOPs?
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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

This may sound paranoid, but I would be cautious about feeding picked over seed to wild birds unless you have repeatedly had your birds tested for ABV/PDD and PBFD (specific test panels are required-not just a CBC). These diseases can be spread by birds who show no symptoms. Even if your birds have been tested, there is still a risk that they could spread disease, as infected but healthy birds will often test negative while spreading the virus to other birds.

These diseases do exist in the wild, so odds are, the wild birds have already been exposed to at least some of the strains, but unlike other diseases, repeat exposure doesn't increase immunity (scientists are still quite confused by it all--and sometimes it has to do with strain combinations). In fact, some scientists believe that early exposure to the diseases actually increase a bird's likelihood of contracting the diseases later when exposed. That having been said, wild birds could also be carriers of these (and other ) diseases, which means you don't want to bring the container back into your home with your birds if wild birds have been eating out of it. PBFD is especially hard to "kill", as the virus is extremely small.
If you have a shed or out-building, I suppose you could move it there when not in use, but you would want to be very careful with hand-washing etc.

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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

Noodles has a point, but only to a point. It depends on where you call home. If you have wild parrots around, then yes, there could possibly be some risk I'd imagine. However, there are many places, such as where I live that are home to no wild parrots do it is not a risk at all. Most diseases like PBFD are specific to psittacines only and cannot jump across to other classes of birds.

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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

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Noodles has a point, but only to a point. It depends on where you call home. If you have wild parrots around, then yes, there could possibly be some risk I'd imagine. However, there are many places, such as where I live that are home to no wild parrots do it is not a risk at all. Most diseases like PBFD are specific to psittacines only and cannot jump across to other classes of birds.

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OP is in Australia where PBFD is a big problem.
Circovirus (BFDV) has been reported in non-parrots as well (from what I understand---granted, it is less common in other types of birds). It is PBFD in parrots and BFD in other birds but it's the same virus.
https://minerva-access.unimelb.edu.a...=1&isAllowed=y
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3013487...n_tab_contents

"Circoviruses have been found in parrots, pigeons, Senegal doves, canaries, finches, geese, southern black-backed gulls, ostriches, pigs, and chickens (28)."
https://jvi.asm.org/content/78/17/9277

"Besides Psittaciformes, the virus also infects other avian families like Columbiformes, Passeriformes and Anseriformes [13]."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4822206/

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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

Circovirus infections have been seen in non psittacines, yes, just as they have in pigs, goats, and humans. Circoviruses are a class of virus just like psittacines are a class of bird. PBFD is one specific virus that does NOT cross over. It is a similar but separate virus that infects other classes of birds and other animals.



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Re: What to do with unwanted seed

Some of these sources seem to be unclear on that. I knew it was a class, but the implication is that one bird type can pass it to another bird type...
Read what it says in this link (I am not saying you are wrong---but read the link article below):
"Besides Psittaciformes, the virus also infects other avian families like Columbiformes, Passeriformes and Anseriformes [13]."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4822206/
Within that specific paragraph, it doesn't seem to be talking about the viral class.

I am no expert on virology, so like I said, I am not saying you are wrong, but I am not sure that scientists are even sure on this one---with viral mutations etc, the implication is that many years ago, the virus started out as one strain and mutated to infect parrots and non-parrots.

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