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Old 10-15-2017, 10:21 AM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

@Teddscau

I’m so glad people on the forums are like-minded. I feel like I’m some sort of insane sometimes trying to describe to people what’s wrong to do to a bird. Seriously, you have no idea how hard it is arguing with people that it’s wrong to scare your birds like that because they no longer want to associate with you. And then they’re so stuck on the idea of “bird brain” and can’t move past that and always come to “who cares? It’s a stupid a** bird anyway” -_- well you wouldn’t go around scaring a cat or dog like that because you understand the stress it would cause for it. How does the same not apply to the bird, or any other animal like a mouse or a rabbit or a salamander etc.? I just don’t understand how it’s so hard to explain to someone to not scare your beloved pet -_-

And psst. I noticed the plural on your “it’s amazed your birds are still alive”. Lily is the only one of the bunch who was scared like that (along with my yellow ‘keet who did pass thanks to Mr-Know-It-All who had to do the opposite of everything I asked my mom to do while I was away, where Lily had to be rehomed asap). Snowball is a different story from different people (he’s actually my niece’s bird that I’m caring for now. He was in a worse situation than Lily ever was. Poor boy). Warbeak came from the pet store. He has no traumas in his life (except when I leave his sight and his world falls apart lol) and I’m looking forward to not having to worry about anyone ever doing anything to any of them now that I have my own place. ^^

And thanks SO MUCH for that recipe. I’ve been trying to find recipes to cook nice things for my birds. I bought some bird bread mix from harrison foods to try out a while ago (haven’t gotten around to it because stove is currently broken. Trying to replace it through warranty). If you have any other recipes, I’m open to them! (And I have pellets I’m trying to slowly incorporate with her. She’s picky like Snowball in that regard. I got lucky with Warbeak. He eats anything.) interesting that you say conure blend though and not parakeet. I always thought you get a parrotlet parakeet food and mix in pet store sunflower seeds. Is conure seed diet the better option for parrotlets? I’m assuming the parakeet size pellets are the way to go with parrotlets. I will look into your suggested brands but I do like the Zupreem and Sun Seed brands.
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Old 10-15-2017, 01:31 PM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

No problem! If you'd like to learn more about how animals think and view the world, I'd recommend buying "Animals In Translation" by Temple Grandin.

My birds loved that birdie bread recipe, but it turns out certain little budgies (i.e., all of them) are allergic to sweet potato. I also like buying mash and birdie bread mixes from Avian Organics. However, this is a Canadian company, so it probably wouldn't be feasible. Although, I think a lot of Americans have gotten spoiled with all your "free shipping", "no brokerage fees", "no tariffs", and "blow taxes". It costs me an arm and a leg to care for my critters (I buy almost everything online for them).

Have you tried the Goldn'obles III or TOPs yet? Noah was fed nothing but cheap seed his whole life, but within a week, I had him eating sprouts, veggies, birdie bread, and pellets. The Goldn'obles are really easy to get them to try. As for Zupreem, I know a lot of people like it. However, no offense, they use artificial colours, which makes a company poor quality in my books. I mean, if they really want to make their pellets colourful, they could use natural colours like turmeric and beet juice. I'm a fan of TOPs and Goldn'obles because they use whole, human-grade ingredients. They don't use artificial flavours, colours, vitamins, or minerals. I understand wanting a guaranteed nutritional analysis, but that's where the mash with 50% of the recommended dose of Nekton-S comes in. Sometimes I'll even use just a third of the recommended amount of vitamins.

As for conure vs parakeet food, conure is more appropriate in my view. Budgies are adept at eating grass seed, grains, and small amounts of leaves. However, conures and parrotlets have beaks that allow them to also eat nuts (sans shell), pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, dried veggies, etc. In the wild, they feed on nuts, grass seed, fruits, fruit seeds, cactus, flowers, leaf buds, leaves, and ocassionally insects. Like conures, their beaks are stronger and more versatile than budgies'.
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Old 10-16-2017, 09:39 PM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

Hm well I tried the spray earlier to try it out with Lily, and I must say I don’t know if I should continue to use it. I understand the purpose of using it, and I’m sure it works great for its purpose, but it scared the crap out of her. I thought ahead and had her on the floor when I was using it, just in case it really was going to scare her and she’d try jumping around in the cage and hurt herself. I’m glad I did that, because she kept freaking out and running away and trying to fly off (her wings are clipped currently). I did do my best to continue until she was thoroughly wet, but I felt so bad doing it because she was terrified. Usually she steps up for me immediately, but after she was done getting wet and I put my finger out, she ran off. I’m not sure whether it’s wise for me to continue spraying her like that if it’s going to ruin whatever bond we were starting to build. I can’t see her getting used to it and enjoying it.
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Old 10-16-2017, 09:52 PM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

Quote: Originally Posted by AkridChaos View Post
Hm well I tried the spray earlier to try it out with Lily, and I must say I don’t know if I should continue to use it. I understand the purpose of using it, and I’m sure it works great for its purpose, but it scared the crap out of her. I thought ahead and had her on the floor when I was using it, just in case it really was going to scare her and she’d try jumping around in the cage and hurt herself. I’m glad I did that, because she kept freaking out and running away and trying to fly off (her wings are clipped currently). I did do my best to continue until she was thoroughly wet, but I felt so bad doing it because she was terrified. Usually she steps up for me immediately, but after she was done getting wet and I put my finger out, she ran off. I’m not sure whether it’s wise for me to continue spraying her like that if it’s going to ruin whatever bond we were starting to build. I can’t see her getting used to it and enjoying it.
Have you not misted your Bird(s) before?

Remember it was one pump per area she was plucking - at most with a Bird her size, it should have taken two, to a maximum of maybe three pumps.

The goal is not to make her thoroughly wet.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:18 PM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

No, I have never misted them before, because they all usually bathe on their own (exception Snowball, who requires shower and enjoys himself). Like I said, I did the best I could to get her wet. But she kept running. So I got probably maybe 4 full pumps (but each time it was only a slight press because she’d instantly run/fly off). A lot of it was wasted. Don’t think I want to continue with it if it scares her that badly.
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

I strongly recommend feeding your Parrotlet Harrison's Superfine pellets, with seeds as just a treat. If your Parrotlet loves millet sprays, get rid of them. Millet will surely be in the small seed mix I'd give as a treat. When I say treat, I mean 1-2 tsp max with almost 1/4 cup pellets, and maybe a seed as a training treat handed straight to their beak. I'd leave sweet seed blocks out of the cage. Or skip them altogether. If your bird has never eaten pellets, you may need to transition him to them with a little more seed initially.

The poster's suggestion to make mash is great. My Parrotlet ate heated mash every morning of the week. Do try to encourage fresh veggies/fruit, but if they don't like them, the mash should be sufficient. Occasional bird safe human food is desirable, too. My Parrotlet ate breakfast with my hubby and I every morning and some dinners. Mash in the morning in his own dish prevented some (not all) thievery of our food. Plus, it's together time. My husband and I think mash was the secret to my Parrotlet not plucking.

Stress can play a part in plucking, for sure. I'm glad you do have other birds. You don't cage the budgie and Parrotlet together do you? If so, try separating them.

Do check with the vet to be sure there isn't some underlying illness present.

Birds do require a lot of work/effort and love. Making mash may seem like a lot, because it is. But it is worth it.

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Old 03-22-2018, 09:30 PM
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Re: How to stop a bird from plucking?

@Cthebird: This is a bit of an older post (though glad you took the time to respond). I came back for the bird bread and mash recipe. I’ve been chopping up chunks of fruit and freezing them in daily portion sizes, dethawing them overnight. Invested in some kale recently that I’m trying to coax them into since I hear it’s pretty good for them (I never heard of kale before. I thought it was a fish at first LOL). Veggies don’t seem to be a hit with any of the fids, so I needed recipes to make finally. At least I know their general likes/dislikes now. Going to mix pellets into the mash/bread recipes I think, maybe swap in a few things they like, or different veggies like carrots etc to give them a good variety of nutrition. My two little ones are just too stubborn about the pellets. I feel like maybe I didn’t do it right or something, all these other people can get their birds onto pellets, but Warbeak eats pellets fine so I’m not too sure I did it wrong, they’re just that stubborn.

When I got Lily in...October? November? She was almost completely bald and pulling out her tail feathers and all the down on her wings, etc. You can physically see her progress in the most recent post I made with her: Playing with Lily. Both flight and Snowball (parakeet) have helped her immeasurably. They were actually separate in cages until around when her flight feathers started coming back (maybe mid January). I thought since they got along so amazingly, maybe it would be good for her. Besides, she fought me daily to stay in that cage with him. I thought I’d do a trial run, see what happens. Well, feathers has happened. Not fully feathers, but feathers enough to tell she’s a bird again and not some weird mutated looking thing. They don’t fight, they get along well, keep each other nice company when I’m at work, and play together with me. Well, sort of. Lily plays, Snowball comes to tweet along and steal all of Lily’s treats. Lol. Now I’m simply working on seeing if I can stop the plucking altogether. Seems any time she gets her feathers all back, she rips out chunks uner her neck both front and back. She’s not nearly as bad as she first was, but still sort of plucking isn’t good enough in my book. I don’t want her to damage herself and those beautiful feathers of hers can’t grow back. Doing whatever little things I can to help her stop, if it’s possible. Just because she made this much progress doesn’t necessarily mean she will continue to move forward. For all I know this is the best she’ll be. Still worth a try though.
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