Considerin re-homing a white-capped pionus.

So, like I usually do, I was browsing craigslist, even though most of the time nothing catches my eye (just a bunch of GCCs, tiels, and sun conures around me.) however this time, I saw someone looking to re-home their white capped pionus.
They said he's about a year old, is nippy around his cage but otherwise he's nice, likes head scratches, and squawks once or twice every so often but it's not a frequent or extensive sound.
Brad and I have been thinking of adding a smaller-sized parrot to our flock, albeit we were thinking closer to june-august, but hey.
Pionus seem like a fitting bird for us (not too loud, not very needy, but still interactive) but the thing is, he's selling the bird but no cage. So I'd have to find a cage separately. What's the minimum cage requirement for a WCP to be comfortable? Keep in mind I work from home, so odds are he wont' be caged for more than 3 hours of day time on certain days. (Doctors appointments, etc)
And what kind of toys do they like?
Nothing has been decided yet, but we've been thinking of a pionus or a caique, and it seems to be way easier to find info on caiques than a WCP for whatever reason.
Thanks ahead of time for any input.
P.S his name is Hawk-eye but I'd probably change that.. lol.

Stop reading Craigslist!! :11:
Well, frankly Ashley, I'd be wondering what life would be like with your Kiwi, Loki, and bringing back Yoshi (who you can't even have right now), and the White Cap, AND.... Your newborn human baby!

More birds = more loud explosive noise (I'm aware of the issue there), however infrequent it is, it WILL happen. Just PLEASE really think it through for the sake of everyone okay?
23x36 is good, 5/8" for smaller Pi's like WC and Caiques. Pionus are less active than Caique.

RavensGryf said:

Stop reading Craigslist!! :11:
Well, frankly Ashley, I'd be wondering what life would be like with your Kiwi, Loki, and bringing back Yoshi (who you can't even have right now), and the White Cap, AND.... Your newborn human baby!

More birds = more loud explosive noise (I'm aware of the issue there), however infrequent it is, it WILL happen. Just PLEASE really think it through for the sake of everyone okay?
23x36 is good, 5/8" for smaller Pi's like WC and Caiques. Pionus are less active than Caique.

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I had it typed out, and then the page refreshed or something and deleted it.. bluh!
Long story short: Yoshi just isn't here right now because of how I reacted to his scream. I had NO idea I'd have a panic attack like that, I've never reacted so severely to loud sounds. It's just because I'm pregnant and my hormones are going wild.
Brad and I are adopting him(human baby) to a couple we know, the wife is my nurse, they've been ready for a baby but unable to conceive for 4 years.
I know nobody knows my situation like I do, but do you think the pionus would be one-too-many? I do take everybody's advice to heart, I wouldn't ask for opinions and then ignore them.
I ask because I care, not so I can say "Okay well you're wrong I'm right and I'm gonna do this anyway..." yknow? I truly appreciate the advice I receive here.

(Before anyone says anything. We did NOT choose our pets over the child. We are just not ready, financially or emotionally to start a family. We are young, uneducated, and the last thing we want as a couple is to raise a child in less-than-desirable conditions. When we start a family we are going to be, at least, financially ready. We want to spoil our children, and that's what we're doing by adopting our son to this couple. They're very wonderful.)
Mini rant over.

I do remember now about the adoption, and that does sound wonderful.

As for if I really think it's too many birds for you personally and your household and situations and everything... Well, I'd hate to say a definitive yes or no since I don't live with you, but from what you post - if I were you, I'd wait til the baby is born, and your hormones and emotional health gets a bit smoother after the birth. Then bring Yoshi back, see how that goes. Then after you can handle Yoshi and his however occasional noise, then decide. After adopting out your baby, you might really be wanting another bird. Do you think it has anything at all to do with the emotions around that?

RavensGryf said:

I do remember now about the adoption, and that does sound wonderful.

As for if I really think it's too many birds for you personally and your household and situations and everything... Well, I'd hate to say a definitive yes or no since I don't live with you, but from what you post - if I were you, I'd wait til the baby is born, and your hormones and emotional health gets a bit smoother after the birth. Then bring Yoshi back, see how that goes. Then after you can handle Yoshi and his however occasional noise, then decide. After adopting out your baby, you might really be wanting another bird. Do you think it has anything at all to do with the emotions around that?

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I'm sure my emotion regarding pregnancy are coming in to play, I mean it's a maternal instinct to care for something/someone after all.
Most of my daily anxiety comes from being bored. Or having nothing to do, so I over-think everything. I mean I make food for myself and the birds all day long, and have dinner ready for when Brad comes home, but even between that and cleaning I find myself with nothing to do. That, and he's at work nearly 10 hours 5 days a week(Well, 4. Sundays he's there for 4 hours) and not being a social butterfly, my birds are my companions. I guess I just get lonely, since I don't get out. And then hormones, of course..
When I put it into words I feel like a crazy-bird-lady.
I just can't help but feel if I can afford it and have time for it, why not give an unwanted bird a loving home? (If I can handle it, I won't overwhelm myself or put a bird in a bad living situation..)
I guess I have more thinking to do. I'll have to talk it over with Brad when he comes home tonight.
Sorry if I post a bunch, like I mentioned during the day I don't have much to occupy myself with.

Sterling1113 said:

If I can handle it, I won't overwhelm myself or put a bird in a bad living situation..

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Yes, that is what it ultimately comes down to

I will say this in the nicest way possible, and hope not to tread on your (or anyone else's) toes.

Taking how you reacted to Yoshi's screeching, I don't think you should add any birds until you've delivered your baby, and have moved to permanent housing.

It's easy to give into temptation when browsing through CL, as I know how these creatures pull on ones heartstrings. BUT, I urge you to use common sense here. Quit looking through the ads, there are hundreds and hundreds of pitiful creatures looking for permanent homes in your area, I'm sure, but you can't save them all.

You have so much on your plate at the moment, why not sit back and enjoy the ones you have?

While on the subject, how is Yoshi doing? When was the last time he had some fun time out of his cage?

I guess I just look at it differently.
I'm pregnant, not crippled. I still do things a normal person would.
Honestly I don't see a Pi being 'too much on my plate' considering 4 is my max flock number anyways(atleast for a while.)
I actually went over recently to let Yoshi out and pre-make his meals even though the house is ridden with flu/pneumonia/bronchitis virus, because at that point I'd rather go spend time with him than sit around and try not to get sick. Even still, I can leave his cage open for hours, and unless I bribe him out with treats in a bowl on the ground he doesn't want to come out.
-shrugs- I really like the idea of having a Pi, but I don't want to feel like I'm shunned off the forums for it.
I'm trying not to step on toes, either, it's just right now I feel like if I get the bird it would be for me and Brad and we'd be happy, or I can tell this person never mind so I don't upset anybody here on the Forum.
I guess I'm just upset with myself for getting into this situation. I know I can't make everybody happy. But I still try, and most of the time it doesn't work.

So it pretty much sounds like your mind was made up before even making this thread.

What will happen to this Pi if he screeches, and you have a reaction like you had with Yoshi? Just because they're "supposed to" be quiet, doesn't mean this one will never let out a scream (or two).

Don't live your life trying to make anybody else happy but yourself. Because if you're not happy, the ones around you won't be either. Now that doesn't mean go get what you want on a whim either, especially living creatures who have needs.

Nobody ever insinuated you were crippled, but you yourself talk about what all is on your plate, so we (the forum folks) are just trying to guide you in the best way we can. What you do with this advice is entirely up to you.

Talli has been screaming for over an hour now, and it is much more shrill than when Ekko does. He is quiet most of the time, but when he gets going, it is ear splitting.
Just my opinion, but I think it would be better for you to wait to get moved to add to your flock, after you have gotten Yoshi back. I also do not think you are crippled because you are pregnant, but I am also worried that if you get a new bird while still pregnant, that it's scream will set off a panic attack like Yoshi did.

I also have to stay off our version of CL as it is so hard to see birds who need homes that I know I cannot take.

Oh; my mind wasn't and isn't made up- I'm not even looking at the same Pionus anymore.
The guy with the 1 year old white cap didn't want to travel to meet us, and Brad doesn't want to make a day-trip, so that idea was gone.
And then somebody pops up who's two hours closer, and has one for a smaller rehoming fee(Given, he's 6~ years old), and I guess I thought that was things falling into place for me. Maybe I misinterpreted.
I've looked/listened to videos of their scream(and other pionus' as well) and it's nowhere near like Yoshi's is. It's more trill, but it's not like a siren.
I dunno. Now I'm all conflicted though. I haven't told the guy a definite yes/no, and I don't plan to until Tuesday(at the EARLIEST)
Now I just feel bad. I do appreciate the input, don't get me wrong, I just think I'm already stressed from other things. I'm not exactly fond of my doctor's visits and I've got one early tomorrow.

I found this on youtube called Screaming Pionus. I think it is a bronze wing (beautiful colors as the parrot is outside) I played it with the volume cranked up and although I thought the wind was annoying I was able to get a clear feel for this birds scream.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_usYanuVfQ&hd=1#aid=P9IOSz9ed6w]Screaming Pionus - YouTube[/ame]

What I want to share with you is my experience with Pionus. I have wanted one for years. I knew a few people with them and they really adore their Pionus. I also suggest if you can to "experience" Pionus or any species you are interested in just for the sake of figuring out of the species is right for you.

While doing my research and even though I LOVE this species I can never have one. Sure their screams are WAY LESS a trigger for me than my RFM Valentino but I have severe asthma and because Pionus do not have a preening gland they have powder. I cannot live with a parrot that gives off powder like a cockatiel, budgie, and especially cockatoos and the Greys. I was actually crushed when I learned about the Pionus having the powder.

If you have ANY kind of breathing issue...trust me....do NOT get any kind of parrot that gives off a powder.

Sterling1113 said:

I just think I'm already stressed from other things. I'm not exactly fond of my doctor's visits and I've got one early tomorrow.

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So are you now saying that certain responses/feedback on the forum stresses you out? That's too bad, but we can't possibly - with a good conscience - tell members what they LIKE to hear, instead of what they need to hear.

Oh, craigslist...

I've been doing some browsing myself since I lost Bandit and it is SO DIFFICULT to think clearly once I see how many birds need homes. I wish I could take them all home. Is there any way you could meet with the Pionus first to see if you two click? Maybe spending some time with him and talking with the owner in person about his routine/quirks/behaviors would help determine if it's a good match. You might also get a chance to see how you'll respond to the noises this particular bird will make.

Only you know your situation best and what you can handle. Just remember it's important to be completely honest with yourself. If you can't give the WCP the best home ever at this point in time, then maybe wait a few months and give it another shot. But if it feels like it's meant to be, I have faith you'll find a way to make it work.

I'm sure everyone on the forum will support you no matter what you decide. Let us know how it goes.

Talli is alot louder than that video of that other Pi. I do have an ekkie and a Pi, and both scream. The difference to me is that Ekko screams a couple of times a day, and Talli can go for an hour or more, and his is not quite as loud as Ekko but higher pitched.
I also think that you should be around what ever bird you are thinking of getting to make sure it would be a good fit.

I love Wendy's point: "don't live your life trying to make anybody else happy but yourself."

You have a right to be happy, and to do the things that make you happy, but I think right now with everything going on I just don't think you should bring home another bird for the time being. If you **really** want to bring home a Pi, take this time until you guys move, have the baby, get settled into your new place, etc to continue your research and maybe visit some Pi breeders- I think it would be good if you visited them in person and spend time with some and subject yourself to their noises before bringing one home...IMHO I think watching them on video and listening through speakers is MUCH different than if it happens in person.

I have had to ban myself from CL because it pulls on my heart strings too much and I just don't have the room *right now*....the timing is just not right, and believe me- despite all the busy craziness going on in my life, I still fawn over rehomes when I see them, but I can't give in because it wouldn't be fair to everyone else in my household.

I remember one of your post saying you have always reacted to loud noises, thunder, sirens and that sort of loud sudden noises even before being pregnant. I have heard pionus that were very loud, much louder than that one that was posted.

I feel bad for Yoshi right now to tell you the truth. I worked everyday, multiple times a day to get Gomez where he is now. I promise you if I hadn't he wouldn't want to come out of the cage either and would still be the shaking, terrified boy he was when he first got here. It was a matter of me physically prying him out of the cage in the beginning. Lola bit me multiple times drawing blood to get her to the point where she would tolerate me and now even enjoy time spent with me.

I've said this before I think eclectus need baths at the least 4 times a week is he getting that? I feel like his diet may have gotten a little better and his cage is now larger but overall not enough has changed for him being stuck at your dads with people who don't know how to work with him and that you don't want to. There is the dog to worry about over there as well. I would really like to see you bring him back to your house and start working with him. There are breathing techniques that you can do to avoid having a panic attack, though you have to be willing to put in the time with that as well. You would have no time to be bored if you were putting in the time to bring him around. Believe me I played hooky from painting (not just my hobby but my job) while I was busy getting Lola and Gomez settled in.

I hope you don't take this as being harsh but you said you appreciate advise from the folks here and that is mine.

Thanks for the support witchbaby.
Noble- that's actually the video we were watching last night, ironically.
Labell: I get what you mean. I feel bad for him too. But he IS happy, just reserved. I've tried to convince Brad that rehoming would be a good idea, but he really likes Yoshi, and I don't want to try and force it. I mean, it was MY idea to get him in the first place.
Well I guess it's pretty clear where everybody stands. I think I need to take a break from the forums and bird-stuff for now. I don't do well feeling like people don't approve of me or things like that. I guess it's a fear of judgement? Who knows. Anyway I'm at work right now(came in for a short day to do site updates). I'll probably still be reading but otherwise I'll jump back on when I'm feeling better. If anyone wants to PM me feel free. I'm not ignoring anyone, I just need to detach, even if it's just a little bit.

labell, your post really did move me. As a former Solomon Island Eclectus owner my experience with the Eclectus has changed me forever.

They are nothing like my mini macaws or RFM but are a very unique beautiful parrot that has so many positive traits I could not help but be attracted to them.

My Eclectus Joaquin changed my life. He had this ability to help people feel better along with his calm nature and beautiful plumage he gave the dying peace and helped the mentally ill feel better. My work with Joaquin visiting people in need was the best volunteer work I ever did. I feel Joaquin's was given a gift from God and I was blessed to have such a parrot in my life. Unfortunatly Joaquin died at just short of five years old in 2005. Even though time has helped me heal from losing him I can never forget him. To this day I cannot bring myself to have another Eclectus in my life.

Over the years I have learned that Eclectus parrots are not for everyone. Their uniqueness can make it challenging to care for them. I spent countless hours of research of the species and corresponding with Carolyn Swicegood both email and phone calls to learn the most I could about Eclectus.

If I was in a position I would offer to help Sterling out with Yoshi in anyway she wanted. Fostering him, adopting him, helping her with him what ever it took. I feel strongly about the Eclectus species and I will say I admire that you live with six of them!

Sterling - I hope things do work out for you for the rest of your pregnancy, decisions with your flock and your decisions with Yoshi. I don't know if I shared this with you but when Joaquin lost his ability to speak he had to resort to screaming to communicate. Like what you experienced it was very sharp, loud and blasting. I use to carry him around in a sling during the day and when he had to be in his cage I wore ear plugs. It did get to the point I was not comfortable leaving him at home by himself so I use to take him EVERYWHERE with me. This was part of his palliative care when he was very ill. He got to be well known locally and after he died I received a lot of cards of condolences for him. Trust me Yoshi is worth what ever you put into him. I can understand why you had to relocate him for now but I do hope you will take him back to you soon.

Ashley -

We talk off forums and you know I adore you and I admire you so much for making the decision to let a couple adopt your baby. I do not think there is anyone here who ever would have thought you put your pets first, just the opposite, the decision that you're not ready for a human baby speaks volumes to the mature and very loving decision you and Brad have made.

As for bringing home another bird right now... I can see both sides of the fence here... I think the concern and worry that people are trying to express is because of Yoshi. If you were my daughter (and you know you're younger then Victoria, so its possible! , I would encourage you to wait until after the baby is born and you've settled emotionally both from pregnancy and how you feel after the baby goes home. While your emotions and hormones are a roller coaster right now, I can only imagine what you will experience after its all over. And on that note, I hope you have found a great counselor to help you thru that transition. While you are thinking of the best thing for the baby, don't forget that you will also need some help and support too

But back to what this mom would suggest... I would encourage you to see the pregnancy and settling transition thru. At that point, bring Yoshi back and see how things go for a few weeks. If Yoshi does not affect you, then heck yeah find the 4th feathered member of your flock I know the male eckie at the shelter makes my ears want to bleed with the noise he makes!

If you feel really strongly about this Pionus, no one can tell you its wrong... not sure there is a right or wrong answer here, just what's the least risk... Maybe make a list of priorities and options. Number 1 priority is your health and the baby... then I think Yoshi needs to be considered, he is kinda getting the short end of things in the current situation, but bringing him home after the baby is a great plan. That will let you know what you can deal with and help direct you to what type of bird you can add to your flock!

So outside of looking at new bird, did you heck out the guy I got all the wood for Folger's stand? He is really super nice to deal with and I think could probably get a piece or two to make the perfect playstand for the group!