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Old 11-13-2014, 03:30 AM
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

Aww beautiful little Raven. I just love the colour of the new feathers coming in. They are funny little creatures these birds of ours. Bundii is the same with my hubby, Anthony. He can pretty much get away with anything. Me on the other hand, not so much. Actually not much and I have the bites to prove it.
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Old 11-13-2014, 12:35 PM
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

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Bundii is the same with my hubby, Anthony. He can pretty much get away with anything. Me on the other hand, not so much. Actually not much and I have the bites to prove it.
This is one great reason we have the forum. To remind us that we aren't the only one out there when our birds don't seem to like us much (or love other members of the household more).
When I hear about you and other members here who have a similar situation, it really keeps me encouraged and sets a great example of not giving up, and loving and pampering them regardless.

Years ago, before I knew what a forum was lol, maybe before there were any, I'd get so discouraged easily if a bird didn't love me, or wasn't easy. Even now with my experience, I still appreciate and sometimes need the community encouragement and support
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Old 11-13-2014, 01:03 PM
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

Look at Raven in his harness Isn't it funny who they "choose"? Joe never wanted pets, but gave in to me getting a bird "so long as I take total care of it". Ya.....and WHO did Kiwi immediately take to? Not me!

I think it's nice though that Raven took to Don You still have Robin and Griffin, and Don is getting to learn just how great it is to be loved by a bird
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Old 11-13-2014, 04:41 PM
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

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Raven is looking great, those feathers are amazing! He looks so proud of himself in the second pic, I love it <3!
Just wondering, how did your husband find out Raven is okay with being on his back?
Thanks Reid . He literally just took Raven one day, manhandled him (lovingly), flipped him over, snuggled him, etc. beginner's luck I guess... He didn't know any better. He's seen that sort of thing done with a tame Macaw or Cockatoo, and he can do that with Robin my Red Bellied, so he just took for granted not realizing that you aren't supposed to do that right off the bat to a parrot (even though Raven was friendly), or that Pionus are one of the species who generally can take a while to trust, are reserved, and usually don't like to be handled, let alone like that. Surprisingly Raven just went along with it! I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. He barely likes to step up for me. There's no reasonable explanation!
You know, Julie, I actually have a theory about that. I think that Don was able to do all of that stuff with Raven precisely because he "didn't know any better". I believe that parrots are extremely sensitive to our emotions, and react accordingly.

For instance, my two ekkies, and my cockatiel of 18 years before them, have all trusted me to hold them and pet them anywhere. Even to the point of allowing me to cover their heads and eyes! Yet none of them have ever been okay with allowing me to extend their wings. You'd think that would require less trust than enveloping their heads with my hand, right? So why can't I stretch out their wings?

Because I'm afraid to.

I have always been hesitant to extend a bird's wings because they seem so fragile to me. They seem so thin and ethereal, so tiny in my hands, and I just can't shake the fear that I'd just accidentally pop one off. Smh.

And I think they sense that. If the thought of extending their wings worries me, it worries them, too. "Uh-uh, buddy! Keep those man-paws off my wings!" Lol! After all, their vet manages to spread their wings without a problem.

So maybe you can't do that stuff with Raven that Don can simply because you know that you can't. Just my theory.

Oh, and beautiful pics, btw!

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Old 11-13-2014, 06:47 PM
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

(Sorry, I meant to respond earlier but got sidetracked really bad)
Haha are you 100% sure? I feel like someone has secretly been training your birds behind your back !
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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

Stephen, I was kind of thinking along those lines too. That, plus the fact that Raven just has an overall preference for Don as a person. It's funny, Griffin hates him.

I think your theory is true with birds. As prey animals they're very good at reading us. I think animals in general are better at reading people's micro expressions and emotions more than we're aware of. Probably is why some people seem like Dr. Doolittle lol, and others get bit!
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I feel like someone has secretly been training your birds behind your back !
I wish! If that were the case, they'd be perfect angels all the time right?
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Just my theory.
I agree with you. I'm always bleating on for people to relax and try not to show anxiety because the animals pick up on it. It's not just birds, it's the same with horses and dogs, and cats will ALWAYS head straight for the person who "doesn't like cats" because they hate being stared at and the one who hates cats will not be ogling the cat or patting their lap or going "here, puss, puss, puss".

I can positively state from my own experience that my relationship with my birds has improved since I got to the stage where I don't feel that I'm going to kill them through ignorance or ruin them entirely by "doing the wrong thing".

There's a difference between force and assertiveness. When you are assertive, animals (including people) like it, they know where they stand, there's nothing to worry about. You aren't forcing them to do it, you are just saying "here's what's gonna happen, it's all good, nothing's going to hurt or anything and then we have fun or our treats". Usually you get an "oh, all right, gotcha" in return. You can "force" your will, but if your attitude is assertive and not "forceful" nobody freaks out.

With somebody who doesn't know better, they can have that relaxed assertiveness because they have no clue that whatever they are doing is "meant" to do this or that. It's when we anticipate "problems" that we usually get them. I tend to not only think it in my head that I'm relaxed, it's all good, nothing to freak out about, but I always talk non-stop. Soothing, confident tone tends to smooth things and everybody doesn't freak out (including me).

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Re: Surprise SURPRISE!! Look at Raven

Wow, is Raven ever pretty! I Love his new blue feathers. Don't give up on him either. They can learn to like others, even the hand that feeds them! Lol it's frustrating at times, but you will find lots of encouragement here, and things that have worked for others!
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Raven is such a handsome traitor, lol.
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