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Old 11-02-2018, 10:01 AM
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what I will say in regards to the vet is they may be less an actual Certified Avian Vet (Meaning they have taken extra time to receive specialist training to be accredited as an Avian Vet officially) and they could actually just be a general vet who also happens to see birds. All over the world there are vets who care more about bank accounts than pets and will see whatever is brought through the door because there's some money to be made. Unless you see their official accreditation I would distrust the vet. The fact they didn't run a single test screams to me that this is actually a general vet who wants to charge you as much as possible to do as little as possible
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:02 PM
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His daily diet is harrisons pellets veg and fruit.the vet we seen yesterday is a avian vet basically she chopped the toe and cortarised the end she said she did not want to put the collar on as It causes too much distress. Basically she said it was all genetic she wouldn't expect the little guy to live his full life and she assumed he wasn't getting his nutrition but never ran any tests am I missing something here??
If the vet is indeed "certified" and experienced, the comments carry greater weight. However, it *is* possible Sonny simply suffers from a very curable or manageable issue that can be detected with lab testing. If this were my bird, I'd be getting some basic testing for certain, and possibly seeking a second opinion depending on outcome.
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Re: Help please!!

This is pretty worrying to be honest this is the second vet I have seen as the first one was just a normal vet that treat exotic animals and wasn't very helpful at all even suggesting we should put him down, so we got a second opinion off another vet this time according to Google was an avian vet these two vets are the only people within 60 mile radius that would see sonny so I'm really gutted that you guys think they are just taking my money.

Sonny has picked up really well in the last day I have to be honest it did ring alarm bells when they didn't do tests or put a collar on I really wish I could get him to his old vet but he moved 200 miles away
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:09 AM
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Re: Help please!!

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This is pretty worrying to be honest this is the second vet I have seen as the first one was just a normal vet that treat exotic animals and wasn't very helpful at all even suggesting we should put him down, so we got a second opinion off another vet this time according to Google was an avian vet these two vets are the only people within 60 mile radius that would see sonny so I'm really gutted that you guys think they are just taking my money.

Sonny has picked up really well in the last day I have to be honest it did ring alarm bells when they didn't do tests or put a collar on I really wish I could get him to his old vet but he moved 200 miles away
Asking the second (avian) vet some pointed questions may be beneficial. Some docs lack clear and welcoming communications skills, and may assume parronts don't want deeper information. Often helpful to have a list of questions before the visit.
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Re: Help please!!

I just think you need to have a chat with your CAV.

Playing the devils advocate a bit (plze dont be mad):

Most people will see a deformed animal and will automatically say "Oh, he/she must be unable to live a good life- so be kind and put it out of its misery".
(and of course in a lot of cases they are right! Some people just let animals suffer, the ones you see on tv, youtube, read about etc. so it makes sense they are somewhat predisposed that way.)

Vets meet a lot of people who are unwilling or unable to pay much for vetcare, so they learn to operate "on the cheap" as a default and forget once in a while there is someone who is willing to take on a second mortgage if only the pet will be okay.

So maybe you should have a little talk about: do the work that is needed, not just the stuff that comes cheap?
Make sure he/she understands you are one of the special ones- not just the quick maintenance, but really good care as well.
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Re: Help please!!

Quick update.... we have seen a third vet in 3 weeks today after travelling 120 miles we are exhausted

The vet said he has a unfixable condition called ring toe and basically his toes will eventually rot away but and it's a big but she said he has many more years left as long as the condition is treat properly with pain relief.

We have now got some pain relief gabapentin which is in a tablet form and a nerve agent called emla which is a cream the vet seemed to know her stuff so here is hoping we are on the right track now

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Re: Help please!!

Wut?

Ringtoe sounds about what you read as number one reason baby parrots loose their toes in the nest: the ligament around the end of the toe contracts, trapping the bloodvessels so the toe (or part of it) swells up and because of the even more restricted boodflow the tissue dies eventually and the toe falls off--- but (in larger parrots anyway) it is treatable by cutting through that ligament on the 2 sides, freeing the bloodvessels and restoring (if caught in time) the perfusion of the tissue aka saving the toe.


Its just like wearing a ring on your finger that is too tight (and constricts even more in time)- just cut it in time and things are okay.


I can immagine with a smaller bird this is really tricky to do though.

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Re: Help please!!

You are going the extra mile literally! Good for you,!!! Did this vet do blood work???? Talk about why so thin?? You have a big heart and a little fellow with lots of issues, I'm glad he has you! Can you post feet pics?
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I appreciate them words thank you

I asked about blood test and she said she was happy with the diagnosis that it didn't need them

I spoke about his diet and again she was happy with what we feed him he left her a nice treat on her table and she said looking at his poo he was getting his requirements

We will see what happens next as its been a crazy week and in the meantime I will try and get some pics up of the little fella
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:38 AM
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I appreciate them words thank you

I asked about blood test and she said she was happy with the diagnosis that it didn't need them

I spoke about his diet and again she was happy with what we feed him he left her a nice treat on her table and she said looking at his poo he was getting his requirements

We will see what happens next as its been a crazy week and in the meantime I will try and get some pics up of the little fella
Please know I'm not trying to second-guess the work of multiple vets, and you've gone the extra miles, but hard to understand the efficacy of diagnosing and treating in the absence of lab tests. I suppose highly experienced vets may take comfort from "pigeon holing" based on global symptoms they have seen endless times?
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