Unhappy passenger

Jayyj

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Ok, so I need a little help with this one. Sorry for the long post.

As many of you will know, I've had Alice a couple of years now. She arrived a miserable little thing, scared of everything, and I've put in a lot of work getting her back to what you might consider normality for a galah. Mostly it's been a success story: She adores me, loves meeting new people, plays with toys, is quite confident in her territory and has even become a little bossy when she's trying to get her own way. The only note of caution has been with training where she easily gets stressed if she doesn't understand what I'm asking of her, but even then she has made a little progress and has a few basic tricks she can run through. However, we've hit a problem and I'm at a bit of a loss how to read the situation and how to proceed with it.

It's really important to me that she's able to go places other than being at home so that I can visit family and friends without worrying that she's home alone, and so that I can continue to socialise her. She's great once she's out, loves having people she doesn't know fussing over her, doesn't seem bothered by unfamiliar places. But, she hates the car journey and the travel cage and after a year or so of trying this it's not getting any easier.

Her first travel cage was one of those clear plastic ones, and she seemed really uncomfortable not being able to scramble around it using bars. I then bought one of the Kings travel cages and she's terrible in that one, prefering to cling upside down by fret and beak to the top than sitting on the perch, and periodically spinning in frantic circles around the top.

I'm at a loss as to how to improve this. I've tried pulling over and talking to her, I've tried ignoring her, every permatation of perches, putting a blanket over the cage, letting her hold hands through the bars which used to calm her down with the old cage, and nothing gets her down from hanging off the top of the cage. Part of me thinks it's cruel of me to keep trying, and part of me thinks it's a stand off and she thinks if she keeps looking pathetic I'll cave and let her out. From her perspective, if she keeps it up for fifteen, twenty minutes or so then I stop the car and let her out, so she's won - doesn't matter if we actually stopped because we reached our destination.

So, what do you think? Any suggestions as to how to play this? The bottom line is, she needs to be able to travel occasionally whatever happens, harnesses are definitely not going to be an option, and I'm not risking her loose either outside or in the car when I'm driving, so I need to find a way for this to work.
 

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The only thing I can think of is start taking her everywhere you can . To get her used to it . Im sure if your consistent [things will improve}. This reminds me of my Ekkie Marley we thought we could never take anywhere [he is ok with it now]
 

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Ok, so I need a little help with this one. Sorry for the long post.

As many of you will know, I've had Alice a couple of years now. She arrived a miserable little thing, scared of everything, and I've put in a lot of work getting her back to what you might consider normality for a galah. Mostly it's been a success story: She adores me, loves meeting new people, plays with toys, is quite confident in her territory and has even become a little bossy when she's trying to get her own way. The only note of caution has been with training where she easily gets stressed if she doesn't understand what I'm asking of her, but even then she has made a little progress and has a few basic tricks she can run through. However, we've hit a problem and I'm at a bit of a loss how to read the situation and how to proceed with it.

It's really important to me that she's able to go places other than being at home so that I can visit family and friends without worrying that she's home alone, and so that I can continue to socialise her. She's great once she's out, loves having people she doesn't know fussing over her, doesn't seem bothered by unfamiliar places. But, she hates the car journey and the travel cage and after a year or so of trying this it's not getting any easier.

Her first travel cage was one of those clear plastic ones, and she seemed really uncomfortable not being able to scramble around it using bars. I then bought one of the Kings travel cages and she's terrible in that one, prefering to cling upside down by fret and beak to the top than sitting on the perch, and periodically spinning in frantic circles around the top.

I'm at a loss as to how to improve this. I've tried pulling over and talking to her, I've tried ignoring her, every permatation of perches, putting a blanket over the cage, letting her hold hands through the bars which used to calm her down with the old cage, and nothing gets her down from hanging off the top of the cage. Part of me thinks it's cruel of me to keep trying, and part of me thinks it's a stand off and she thinks if she keeps looking pathetic I'll cave and let her out. From her perspective, if she keeps it up for fifteen, twenty minutes or so then I stop the car and let her out, so she's won - doesn't matter if we actually stopped because we reached our destination.

So, what do you think? Any suggestions as to how to play this? The bottom line is, she needs to be able to travel occasionally whatever happens, harnesses are definitely not going to be an option, and I'm not risking her loose either outside or in the car when I'm driving, so I need to find a way for this to work.

I have to agree with Pinky, take them out for a ride as much as you can so the gets used to it, which they eventually will.

My Grey was a bit nervous at first, and tried different travel carries, but 1) he wasn't used to a travel carrier, and 2) he wasn't used to riding in car so the combination had to come to be resolved.

I started by putting him the travel cage at home on the kitchen table for
about 10 Minutes at a time and worked my way up to 30 minutes.
He got used to it..

Next Step, I put cage in car next to me on seat, and put my grey on my shoulder and went for short drives so he could see and get a feel about every thing that goes on with traveling. Now when I take trips he's not bad at all in the travel cage and talks, sings and enjoys the ride.

My Zon, My Senni, and Twinki ( Budgie) sit on shoulder for country drives, they love it, My Senni however learned to bite me on the ear (softly) depending on what shoulder he on as if he wants me to turn left or right.
Long hauls however then they go in travel cage. Country drives are fun, poppie seen her first deer on side of rode looking at us, Poppie is like "what's that....what's that ???" ....and explain it to her where she goes "Ohhhhh"

Good luck !
 
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the response.

I did try acclimatising her to it before taking her out - not a chance! At the moment I'm taking her out once a week, but I could easily increase that a little.

I've thought about taking her out to the car in the cage then letting her on my shoulder but I just don't feel safe doing that - she'd be fine as long as she was nervous but if she gets over that she'll get bored and start trying to get my attention, and being a too if she's allowed out once the chances of changing back without almighty ructions would be pretty slim.

Would there be any sense in stopping her getting onto the top, or should I accept that how she feels safest and leave her to it? It would be easy enough to fit a perspex screen so she couldn't hang off it. It'd keep the rain off too...
 

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Actually, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think you should accept that the top of the cage is where she feels safest. Of course you should try all that you can to make her as comfortable as possible, especially regarding the width of the perches. If you are still using the dowel perches, you might want to trade up for a natural branch perch for better grip.

But it may just be that she just gets nervous in car rides the way that some people just never feel okay with traveling in a plane or a boat. Something similar happens with my male ekkie, Jolly. Driving freaks him out and he refuses to stand on the perch while the car is in motion, opting instead to cling to the bottom grate of the Kings travel cage I got him. It's just weird. I think he hasn't been able to reconcile the fact that we're the ones who are moving. He dodges and ducks every tree we pass as though they are flying toward him! Poor guy.

Maya, meanwhile, is completely at ease while traveling... to the point of even lifting a leg and contentedly grinding away! (Show-off!)

But in the end, if clinging to the top of the cage is what makes Alice feel more secure, as clinging to the bottom is what does it for Jolly, I say just let her do so. It's not cruel. (Reading all your posts about Alice, I'd have a hard time believing you capable of any cruelty toward her, Jayyj. Lol) Covering the top with a perspex screen, however, would likely only serve to cause her unnecessary stress, IMO.
 

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How about taking her for a short trip around the block each night to get her used to the motion of the car? It sounds like that is more of the issue than actually being out is. That way, your not overwhelming her with a 20 minute drive or something, and she is getting it very consistently.
 
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Ok, I'll let her dangle then... she does spend quite a bit of time upside down anyway, lying on her back next to me on the couch whilst thoughfully chewing my shirt tail being a current favourite pastime. She's a regular little monkey when it comes to climbing and dangling!
 

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