Heaven Parrot Aviary

EllenD said:

That particular aviary you posted is not a scam at all, I'm familiar with them because they are one of the vendors that supply the big box pet shops like Petco and PetSmart. So they are not a scam, but they are a huge Bird Mill, one of the largest in this country in fact. If you look on their "About Us " page you'll see individual owner and worker names with photos, biographies, email addresses, and phone numbers. They have a Facebook page, Twitter, etc. A friend of mine who is an Animal Manager at my local Petco has mentioned them several times as one of their largest vendors, along with Barney's. These guys sell thousands of birds each year.

There are a ton of websites that are complete fakes and if you search the URLs they usually are registered to a person in African, India, Singapore, or Indonesia. African/the Middle East is the area with the most pet scams by far right now, they do both the individual, private ads listed on Craigslist and all the local online classifieds, as well as designing entire websites based around a company that doesn't exist. Lots of pure bred dogs like English Bulldogs, French Bulldogs, Pugs, etc., and now exotic birds. A good way to tell pretty quickly if it's a scam (besides the broken, terrible English and usually stupidly low prices) is to right-click the photos they list that are supposed to be photos of available birds, dogs, etc. After you right-click the photo, select "Search Image On Google", and if it's a scam you'll see a huge list of all the past websites the photo has been used on, including the first, original site it appeared on, along with the dates they were used on each website. 99% of the photos of "Available Birds/Puppies For Sale" are copied from the websites, Facebook pages, and blogs of private individuals, Kennel Clubs, and the one that gets them in trouble and caught/shut down all the time are the photos they copy from the pages and online ads of legitimate breeders. I've worked with several champion English Bulldog breeders that charge like $5,000+ for a puppy, and they take this very seriously, to the point that some of them actually track the person or people down and fly to Cameroon or wherever to find them. It's crazy. I met a woman once that showed me a very well-done scam site showing a company that was supposedly located in England somewhere that bred English Bulldogs and would supposedly ship their puppies worldwide. A puppy would cost a person around $500 plus $200 shipping, and they could only pay by using Western Union, MoneyGram, Bank Wire Transfer, and actually some actually accept PayPal. They set up a fake bank account, and then verify a fake PayPal account, and will use it only once. Then after they transfer the money from that PayPal account to the bank account, they withdraw the cash, close the bank account, close the PayPal account, and then start over for the next victim. She showed me the photos of their "Available Puppies", and then showed me how they had copied her photos from her website that represented her champion bloodline English Bulldog company. The supposed puppies they were currently selling were her now-adult dogs like 7 years ago when they were puppies.

It's unfortunate for legitimate breeders that this is happening and actually getting worse, because more and more people are refusing to trust anyone. I can't blame them, you need to find only reputable, private breeders that you can read reviews of, talk to several different, unrelated people that have gotten an animal/bird from them, and can attest to their legitimacy. And never, ever, ever send a breeder any money by any method until you have either visited their facility or home and seen your future pet several times, or until you can get independent verification that they are the real deal. But honestly, it's best to find a breeder, set up a time for you to visit and look at their baby birds, and bring cash with you. That's the safest way. But it really is a shame, these theives are ruining the businesses of the legitimate breeders, look at this post and Heaven's Aviary. Yes, they are one of the largest bird mills in the country and they sell thousands and thousands of birds to the big box pet shops, and I hate that, but they are still not a scam, they are legitimate, yet you thought they were a scam, and that's what happens to the little, private, independent hobby breeders that sell a small number of greatly loved and well bred birds a year because they love them.

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Laylatoo said:

Are you looking for a macaw breeder? There is an excellent breeder local to me that currently has a blue throated macaw baby hatched and I believe raises other macaws as well. I purchased my bare eyed cockatoo from them a few years ago and just put a deposit on their first rose breasted baby of the season that hatched yesterday. I'm lucky that I live very close to them so I am able to pick up my babies but they also ship. Super great guys to deal with. And they love their babies. Let me know if you'd like their info. We are in Northern California.

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CPT4Wheel said:

Laylatoo said:

Are you looking for a macaw breeder? There is an excellent breeder local to me that currently has a blue throated macaw baby hatched and I believe raises other macaws as well. I purchased my bare eyed cockatoo from them a few years ago and just put a deposit on their first rose breasted baby of the season that hatched yesterday. I'm lucky that I live very close to them so I am able to pick up my babies but they also ship. Super great guys to deal with. And they love their babies. Let me know if you'd like their info. We are in Northern California.

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Yes please, I would love their contact info.

Thanks,

Shane

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SilverSage said:

Don't get upset if a good breeder doesn't have eggs; a lot of good breeders have waiting lists, and that's where you want to be; on the waiting list of a great breeder. A companion of 70 years is worth a season or two of waiting.


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EllenD said:

That particular aviary you posted is not a scam at all, I'm familiar with them because they are one of the vendors that supply the big box pet shops like Petco and PetSmart. So they are not a scam, but they are a huge Bird Mill, one of the largest in this country in fact. If you look on their "About Us " page you'll see individual owner and worker names with photos, biographies, email addresses, and phone numbers. They have a Facebook page, Twitter, etc. A friend of mine who is an Animal Manager at my local Petco has mentioned them several times as one of their largest vendors, along with Barney's. These guys sell thousands of birds each year.

There are a ton of websites that are complete fakes and if you search the URLs they usually are registered to a person in African, India, Singapore, or Indonesia. African/the Middle East is the area with the most pet scams by far right now, they do both the individual, private ads listed on Craigslist and all the local online classifieds, as well as designing entire websites based around a company that doesn't exist. Lots of pure bred dogs like English Bulldogs, French Bulldogs, Pugs, etc., and now exotic birds. A good way to tell pretty quickly if it's a scam (besides the broken, terrible English and usually stupidly low prices) is to right-click the photos they list that are supposed to be photos of available birds, dogs, etc. After you right-click the photo, select "Search Image On Google", and if it's a scam you'll see a huge list of all the past websites the photo has been used on, including the first, original site it appeared on, along with the dates they were used on each website. 99% of the photos of "Available Birds/Puppies For Sale" are copied from the websites, Facebook pages, and blogs of private individuals, Kennel Clubs, and the one that gets them in trouble and caught/shut down all the time are the photos they copy from the pages and online ads of legitimate breeders. I've worked with several champion English Bulldog breeders that charge like $5,000+ for a puppy, and they take this very seriously, to the point that some of them actually track the person or people down and fly to Cameroon or wherever to find them. It's crazy. I met a woman once that showed me a very well-done scam site showing a company that was supposedly located in England somewhere that bred English Bulldogs and would supposedly ship their puppies worldwide. A puppy would cost a person around $500 plus $200 shipping, and they could only pay by using Western Union, MoneyGram, Bank Wire Transfer, and actually some actually accept PayPal. They set up a fake bank account, and then verify a fake PayPal account, and will use it only once. Then after they transfer the money from that PayPal account to the bank account, they withdraw the cash, close the bank account, close the PayPal account, and then start over for the next victim. She showed me the photos of their "Available Puppies", and then showed me how they had copied her photos from her website that represented her champion bloodline English Bulldog company. The supposed puppies they were currently selling were her now-adult dogs like 7 years ago when they were puppies.

It's unfortunate for legitimate breeders that this is happening and actually getting worse, because more and more people are refusing to trust anyone. I can't blame them, you need to find only reputable, private breeders that you can read reviews of, talk to several different, unrelated people that have gotten an animal/bird from them, and can attest to their legitimacy. And never, ever, ever send a breeder any money by any method until you have either visited their facility or home and seen your future pet several times, or until you can get independent verification that they are the real deal. But honestly, it's best to find a breeder, set up a time for you to visit and look at their baby birds, and bring cash with you. That's the safest way. But it really is a shame, these theives are ruining the businesses of the legitimate breeders, look at this post and Heaven's Aviary. Yes, they are one of the largest bird mills in the country and they sell thousands and thousands of birds to the big box pet shops, and I hate that, but they are still not a scam, they are legitimate, yet you thought they were a scam, and that's what happens to the little, private, independent hobby breeders that sell a small number of greatly loved and well bred birds a year because they love them.

"Dance like nobody's watching..."

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