FOR THE AMAZON TALKERS: What does this mean??

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As I said in another post my amazon makes a weird noise (mostly in the morning). I could record him and upload it to YouTube, so Iā€™m going to add the link here for you to see and tell me if you know what it means[emoji4]

By the way heā€™s pooping pretty liquid, is this bad??

[ame="https://youtu.be/BwMmGUueQr4"]10 October 2018 - YouTube[/ame]

Edit: this is not gonna be his cage, I was supposed to have a smaller bird so I bought the cage.. I ordered his new cage last week !

Jose
 
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The when your Amazon makes this specific verbalization will help to define it. My guess is that your Amazon is providing this reaction when you are coming near him? The head bobbing /swaying implies a fear or questioning reaction.
 
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The when your Amazon makes this specific verbalization will help to define it. My guess is that your Amazon is providing this reaction when you are coming near him? The head bobbing /swaying implies a fear or questioning reaction.



He usually does it in the morning or at night (when I come back or when I wake up).
That means heā€™s scared of me then??
 

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The when your Amazon makes this specific verbalization will help to define it. My guess is that your Amazon is providing this reaction when you are coming near him? The head bobbing /swaying implies a fear or questioning reaction.

He usually does it in the morning or at night (when I come back or when I wake up).
That means heā€™s scared of me then??

Try slowing down your approach with more verbal interaction prior to getting close quickly. Scared is a big word, but possible. Start back to when you enter the room or even prior with your contact calls: Hi Jousze, how are you, I missed you. The goal being; as you are approaching you are providing that knowledge. As you physically approach, watch his body language and verbalization. The verbalization may remain the same, but with time, you may see the body language change to a more intent interest in see you /wanting to be picked-up as your Bond Relationship improves. Back off a bit may help until your Amazon is more comfortable.

Enjoy!

Tool:
- It is Never the fault of the Amazon!
- It is Always the fault of the Human!
When you change your vantage point, you increase your ability to see what you are doing wrong and/or what your Amazon is telling you and change it sooner!
 
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The when your Amazon makes this specific verbalization will help to define it. My guess is that your Amazon is providing this reaction when you are coming near him? The head bobbing /swaying implies a fear or questioning reaction.

He usually does it in the morning or at night (when I come back or when I wake up).
That means heā€™s scared of me then??

Try slowing down your approach with more verbal interaction prior to getting close quickly. Scared is a big word, but possible. Start back to when you enter the room or even prior with your contact calls: Hi Jousze, how are you, I missed you. The goal being; as you are approaching you are providing that knowledge. As you physically approach, watch his body language and verbalization. The verbalization may remain the same, but with time, you may see the body language change to a more intent interest in see you /wanting to be picked-up as your Bond Relationship improves. Back off a bit may help until your Amazon is more comfortable.

Enjoy!

Tool:
- It is Never the fault of the Amazon!
- It is Always the fault of the Human!
When you change your vantage point, you increase your ability to see what you are doing wrong and/or what your Amazon is telling you and change it sooner!



Iā€™ll try doing this. I actually didnā€™t think it was being scared, cause he does that but he steps up and continues doing it while heā€™s on my hand :/.
But good advice Iā€™ll do it to see if it changes [emoji16]
 

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I feel it's less "scared" and maybe more uneasy or nervous. Don't take anything like this to heart though, he's gotta spend some time getting used to you and figuring you out. Remember his DNA is programmed to tell him that we're a danger with our predator faces, some slow careful time letting him know he's not in danger he'll work out you're a friendly face. The upside you have already is you're having good interactions with him and he's not going into amazon rage or freaking out so you're a good portion of the way there as it is.

Also remember you have a camera out in that video which all birds get a bit nervous around
 

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Apprehension...

I'm not very familiar with Amazon-specific sounds/verbalizations, only the little interaction I've had at the rescue I work at. However, i agree that just on a general "bird sounds/motions/actions" scale, it also looks to me to be the very common, typical, universal sound/motions of "Apprehension".

And honestly this makes perfect sense, because you've only had him for what, a week today I think? He's not at all settled-in yet, he's not taken "ownership" of his new cage/toys or his "area" in-general, so he has no "safe-space" yet, or territory that he feels comfortable and secure enough in to take command over, and of course in only a week he hasn't bonded with you or anyone else in your home yet. So he's simply feeling very insecure over-all right now, which is to be expected.

He's going to be "Apprehensive" of pretty much anything and everything for a while, and as Sailboat said, you need to slow-your-roll a little bit when approaching him or his "area". Yes, he's still stepping-up for you AFTER his initial "guardedness" has gone away, but when you first approach him at any point during the day, especially first thing in the morning after he's been sleeping, he's going to be very nervous and "guarded". Once he settles down and realizes that it's the same person that has been with him all week, then he's probably fine, or as fine as he can be after being in a totally new home with new people for only a week, lol...

This is just an apprehensive "Whoa buddy, slow your roll there" reaction. After only a week, you're lucky it's not 'Zon beak to the face...You really are making tremendous progress with him after only a week. But you have to remember that while you're feeling excited and happy about him being there, and you want nothing more than to just love the little guy, your immediate enthusiasm does not mix well with his current feelings of insecurity about everything right now. So you just need to remind yourself that for him right now, this isn't the happiest time of his life, and he's not feeling the enthusiasm that you are about him being in your home, he's feeling insecure and unsure about everything. He's obviously figured out that you're probably not going to hurt him because he's stepping-up for you, but he's still doing it apprehensively as of right now...

****So just try to slow yourself down when you approach him, or even when you're simply walking into the room he's in. Something that you might try first thing in the morning, and then any time you come home after being out of the house, or even every time you're in a different room from him and you're going to enter the room that he's in, is to start talking to him gently BEFORE you enter the room he's in, BEFORE he can actually see you. That way he'll know you're coming long before you enter the room and before he can see you. And then keep talking to him softly, gently, lovingly once you enter the room that he's in and throughout the entire time you're approaching him and/or his cage/area. And if you're approaching him because you want him to step-up for you, then rather than just reaching your hand out and asking him to step-up, keep continually talking to him up until the point you are approaching him and/or his area, and then COMPLETELY STOP MOVING TOWARDS HIM BEFORE YOU REACH YOUR HAND TOWARDS HIM OR ASK HIM TO STEP-UP. So start talking to him lovingly and gently long before you enter the room that he's in and long before he can see you, so you are letting him know that you're going to be entering the room he's in, then once you enter the room that he's in STOP in the doorway/entrance-way, where there is still a good amount of space between you and him, and just stand there at a distance from him for a minute or two and continue to talk to him gently, and while you're standing in the doorway/entrance-way of the room he's in, actually TELL HIM that you're going to walk over to him and that you are going to want him to step-up,
before you get anywhere near him.
It's always a great idea to tell your parrot what you are going to be doing BEFORE you do it. Then very slowly walk over to him/his area, talking to him gently the entire time, and once you get right in front of him,
at the place where you'll be when you ask him to step-up, STOP!
Simply stand right in front of him, keeping your hands down, never moving them at all, and then stand there right in front of him and continue to talk to him for a minute or two, and tell him that you're going to ask him to step-up for you BEFORE your hands even move. Then after standing right in front of him and talking to him for a minute or two, telling him you are going to want him to step-up for you, THEN you VERY SLOWLY raise your hand to him with your finger out-stretched for him, talking to him the entire time,
never stop talking to him or telling him what you're going to be doing or what you are doing.
This should make him feel a lot less apprehensive and anxious about you in-general, and hopefully this will quickly result in him stopping these apprehensive and guarded sounds/movements, and should also help to get him to step-up for you without any nipping or biting, because he'll know that your coming before you "just appear",
he'll know you're going to be walking across the room near him and his area, and he'll know that you're going to be asking him to step-up and be raising your hand towards him, ALL BEFORE YOU DO ANY OF THESE THINGS!


It's all about the fact that he doesn't yet know you, let alone trust you...And what do we as people do when we are approached by someone that we don't really know well and who we certainly don't trust? How would you react if you were in the grocery store and a person that you don't know well at all and that you don't trust simply walked over to you, without hardly saying a word except maybe "Hi" or "Good Morning", and then they got right up near you, and then reached their hand out towards your body and put it right in your face? Maybe a little "apprehensive"...
 
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Never heard an Amazon that made a noise even close to that.

I bow to the experts here.
 

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I have only pet sitting Amazon experience.......but to me it looks like a greeting , to me the posture doesn't look fearful or agressive. My rescue quaker makes a noise like that when she is happy...on the runny poop issue can you take a pic? Yes can be a sigh of illnes, or it is normal if they were eating a bunch if veggies or fruit.
 
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(Iā€™m going to answer everything later or tomorrow, I had an urgency and Iā€™m on the way to the vet)
 
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Apprehension...

I'm not very familiar with Amazon-specific sounds/verbalizations, only the little interaction I've had at the rescue I work at. However, i agree that just on a general "bird sounds/motions/actions" scale, it also looks to me to be the very common, typical, universal sound/motions of "Apprehension".

And honestly this makes perfect sense, because you've only had him for what, a week today I think? He's not at all settled-in yet, he's not taken "ownership" of his new cage/toys or his "area" in-general, so he has no "safe-space" yet, or territory that he feels comfortable and secure enough in to take command over, and of course in only a week he hasn't bonded with you or anyone else in your home yet. So he's simply feeling very insecure over-all right now, which is to be expected.

He's going to be "Apprehensive" of pretty much anything and everything for a while, and as Sailboat said, you need to slow-your-roll a little bit when approaching him or his "area". Yes, he's still stepping-up for you AFTER his initial "guardedness" has gone away, but when you first approach him at any point during the day, especially first thing in the morning after he's been sleeping, he's going to be very nervous and "guarded". Once he settles down and realizes that it's the same person that has been with him all week, then he's probably fine, or as fine as he can be after being in a totally new home with new people for only a week, lol...

This is just an apprehensive "Whoa buddy, slow your roll there" reaction. After only a week, you're lucky it's not 'Zon beak to the face...You really are making tremendous progress with him after only a week. But you have to remember that while you're feeling excited and happy about him being there, and you want nothing more than to just love the little guy, your immediate enthusiasm does not mix well with his current feelings of insecurity about everything right now. So you just need to remind yourself that for him right now, this isn't the happiest time of his life, and he's not feeling the enthusiasm that you are about him being in your home, he's feeling insecure and unsure about everything. He's obviously figured out that you're probably not going to hurt him because he's stepping-up for you, but he's still doing it apprehensively as of right now...

****So just try to slow yourself down when you approach him, or even when you're simply walking into the room he's in. Something that you might try first thing in the morning, and then any time you come home after being out of the house, or even every time you're in a different room from him and you're going to enter the room that he's in, is to start talking to him gently BEFORE you enter the room he's in, BEFORE he can actually see you. That way he'll know you're coming long before you enter the room and before he can see you. And then keep talking to him softly, gently, lovingly once you enter the room that he's in and throughout the entire time you're approaching him and/or his cage/area. And if you're approaching him because you want him to step-up for you, then rather than just reaching your hand out and asking him to step-up, keep continually talking to him up until the point you are approaching him and/or his area, and then COMPLETELY STOP MOVING TOWARDS HIM BEFORE YOU REACH YOUR HAND TOWARDS HIM OR ASK HIM TO STEP-UP. So start talking to him lovingly and gently long before you enter the room that he's in and long before he can see you, so you are letting him know that you're going to be entering the room he's in, then once you enter the room that he's in STOP in the doorway/entrance-way, where there is still a good amount of space between you and him, and just stand there at a distance from him for a minute or two and continue to talk to him gently, and while you're standing in the doorway/entrance-way of the room he's in, actually TELL HIM that you're going to walk over to him and that you are going to want him to step-up,
before you get anywhere near him.
It's always a great idea to tell your parrot what you are going to be doing BEFORE you do it. Then very slowly walk over to him/his area, talking to him gently the entire time, and once you get right in front of him,
at the place where you'll be when you ask him to step-up, STOP!
Simply stand right in front of him, keeping your hands down, never moving them at all, and then stand there right in front of him and continue to talk to him for a minute or two, and tell him that you're going to ask him to step-up for you BEFORE your hands even move. Then after standing right in front of him and talking to him for a minute or two, telling him you are going to want him to step-up for you, THEN you VERY SLOWLY raise your hand to him with your finger out-stretched for him, talking to him the entire time,
never stop talking to him or telling him what you're going to be doing or what you are doing.
This should make him feel a lot less apprehensive and anxious about you in-general, and hopefully this will quickly result in him stopping these apprehensive and guarded sounds/movements, and should also help to get him to step-up for you without any nipping or biting, because he'll know that your coming before you "just appear",
he'll know you're going to be walking across the room near him and his area, and he'll know that you're going to be asking him to step-up and be raising your hand towards him, ALL BEFORE YOU DO ANY OF THESE THINGS!


It's all about the fact that he doesn't yet know you, let alone trust you...And what do we as people do when we are approached by someone that we don't really know well and who we certainly don't trust? How would you react if you were in the grocery store and a person that you don't know well at all and that you don't trust simply walked over to you, without hardly saying a word except maybe "Hi" or "Good Morning", and then they got right up near you, and then reached their hand out towards your body and put it right in your face? Maybe a little "apprehensive"...

I do this, I always talk to him for him to not be scared. What I think im going to do now is to talk to him but not to go directly to the cage, ill prepare my breakfast and everything first so he can see me while im there.
 

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So glad to read that!
Now keeping my fingers crossed for all the other tests.


(and congrats on the pack-o-bird!)
 

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That's a really good idea...Let him see you for a good amount of time while you're eating your breakfast before you walk over to him, and talk to him while you're eating...And just be sure to always tell him what you're going to do BEFORE you do it. You won't always have to do this of course, but until you earn his trust and until he settles-in fully, explaining to him everything you're going to do before you do it, and then talking to him while you're doing it is going to help to put him at ease...And hopefully curb the nipping/biting that he does to your hand while stepping-up at the same time...

I always tell my birds where I'm going and how long I'll be gone, and when I'll be back every single time I leave the house, and after a while they caught right on to what I was saying and how long I was usually gone when I said it. So they know when I say "I'll be right back" that I'll be gone for 10 minutes or less, but when I say "I'll be back at lunch" that means I'll be back in 4 hours from when I leave in the morning, etc. And actually, I think that even my Australian Cattle Dog has figured this out too, as she no longer waits by the door for me, as I really think she too knows what I'm saying and about how long I'll be gone...

My Shar-Pei doesn't get it, god love him. He's adorable, but he's dumb as a brick :)
 

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Hey, I just noticed this thread and that the question never really got a conclusive answer!

Well, this is the Blue fronted Amazon baby begging noise! I *believe* it's specific to blue-fronts in particular and that other amazons have different begging noises but I'm not entirely sure.
It's the sound and motion that unweaned babies do when they're wanting to be fed. It sometimes stays with them after they've been weaned too.
My Drogon does it now and then when he knows I have treats to offer, though not as often now as he did when he was younger. He was rehomed to me (his third home) when he was just 6 months old so I'm not sure if he was weaned too early or if it's just a comfort behavior that stuck around. In any case, it's nothing weird, nor is it nervous, cautious or fearful! :)

Here's an old thread on the subject:
http://www.parrotforums.com/questions-answers/30827-blue-fronted-amazon-sound.html


Here's an actual baby doing it:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofPx2DMR08"]Baby Blue Fronted Amazon For sale - YouTube[/ame]

And here's a group of babies doing the sound and behavior much more intently:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxoegEbzzhk"]Baby amazon parrots - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Thanks that is a fantastic share!!! Mitchan!!!! I had thought was a happy noise!! If I ever plunge into Amazon maybe the blue fronts will speak to me, though I saw a lovely liliac!! What a great answer to this thread, with video ! Hope the OP comes back and sees this, and updates us too.
 
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I donā€™t know why but I didnā€™t receive any notification!!

Thanks mitchan, itā€™s what I thought too. He does it in the morning, and he does it when itā€™s long I havenā€™t been home, so I also thought it was that he was hungry.
By the way I think that my amazon doesnā€™t really eat when heā€™s in the cage, I have the feeling that he always waits to be out..

Sorry for the late reply!


Jose :)
 

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My amazon does that noise mostly in the morning and evening. He is still on formula and when he makes that noise it means he wants some formula. Once I give him formula, then he stops making that noise.

For Captin Jack, it's not apprehension - he is climbing from where ever he is in the cage toward me (sometimes a little frantically) and jumping right onto my hand making that noise.

Disclaimer - I'm a new amazon owner, and Captin Jack is only about 11 1/5 weeks old and still on formula (not weaned)... So this noise may mean something different for you and your amazon.

EDIT: I just saw Mitchan's post and I concur with him. :)
 
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