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Old 11-08-2018, 11:13 AM
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Yeah, I wanted to crack the guy in the face too...He actually got really angry with Dr. K because she said "If your wife had arthritis and taking an Advil made her pain go away, wouldn't you want her to have it?"...He flipped then and said "I don't want anything! He's fine! He doesn't need anything!", and that was while he was staring at the x-ray of his bird's massive liver and horribly arthritic joints (all of them), and he's a doctor so he can read an x-ray...By the way, the original reason that they brought their Amazon in to begin with was because he had started limping badly like a month beforehand...That's how bad this poor, obese Amazon's arthritis was, he was like dragging his one leg at the knee...
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:40 PM
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

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Yeah, I wanted to crack the guy in the face too...He actually got really angry with Dr. K because she said "If your wife had arthritis and taking an Advil made her pain go away, wouldn't you want her to have it?"...He flipped then and said "I don't want anything! He's fine! He doesn't need anything!", and that was while he was staring at the x-ray of his bird's massive liver and horribly arthritic joints (all of them), and he's a doctor so he can read an x-ray...By the way, the original reason that they brought their Amazon in to begin with was because he had started limping badly like a month beforehand...That's how bad this poor, obese Amazon's arthritis was, he was like dragging his one leg at the knee...
Yes, that was the episode I was thinking of. You remember it much better than I do. Just reading your description gets me worked up all over again.
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:28 AM
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

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Yeah, I wanted to crack the guy in the face too...He actually got really angry with Dr. K because she said "If your wife had arthritis and taking an Advil made her pain go away, wouldn't you want her to have it?"...He flipped then and said "I don't want anything! He's fine! He doesn't need anything!", and that was while he was staring at the x-ray of his bird's massive liver and horribly arthritic joints (all of them), and he's a doctor so he can read an x-ray...By the way, the original reason that they brought their Amazon in to begin with was because he had started limping badly like a month beforehand...That's how bad this poor, obese Amazon's arthritis was, he was like dragging his one leg at the knee...
see personally I feel refusing to follow treatments for pets should be considered animal cruelty. That person to put it bluntly knows a darn sight more than the mook walking in. It's why you walk into the vet office in the first place! To then have a fully qualified vet tell you what is wrong and then refuse them is completely ridiculous
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:35 AM
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

Yep I watch this show as well and saw this episode. Heartbreaking. I find myself misting up on this shadow more than I should be.
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Old 11-10-2018, 10:38 AM
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

Years ago I learned to always leave room for an exception. While I fully agree making the decision to hand feed a baby bird is a responsibility that can go tragically wrong in at least a hundred different ways, it's more complicated than that.

On one hand, we probably agree, it's morally wrong to support breeders with less than the best motivations and practices. Selling an unweaned baby bird obviously speaks poorly of the breeders character......and yet......when you see a clutch of fledglings caught up in the sleazier side of the parrot trade through no fault of their own how can you not step back and take a closer look? Transitions aren't easy, what we consider abuse today was once common practice, hopefully we learn and move forward. In a perfect world no breeder would consider selling an unweaned baby parrot but our world is filled with lovely imperfections. Sometimes we choose to rise up and do the right thing to the very best of our abilities. I chose to hand feed a baby quaker parrot and I had no prior experience. My beautiful mistake is a two year old adult blue quaker parrot named Wilson, he's a beloved family member. That said, I scienced the hell out of hand feeding before I brought Wilson home and I would not have hesitated to consult an Av-Vet at the first sign of trouble. I'm sure if you look, Wilson isn't the only hand feeding success.
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

Oh boy do I know what thatís like. I bought a Hyacinth from someone that needed quick cash and the bird was only seven months old. Hyacinths can take a year to fledge and to wean! My kitchen was a mess because we spoon fed him his baby food every four hours for another seven months!!!!! It was incredibly difficult. I was not experienced but we made it through and I had him for twenty five years until I put him into a breeding program. He was like a giant, feathered puppy. I think anyone attempting to hand feed a bird regardless of size should really think about not doing it unless you are very experienced. I am bringing home in ten days a Golden Conure. The breeder told me today that he has weaned early but I am not taking him yet because I want to be assured he is definitely weaned. Donít rush to get your new bird home from a breeder. Wait and really research what kind of bird it is and how long in the wild does it take for a baby bird to wean. Then research several breeders and get a consensus about how long it takes for that type of bird to wean and then make the decision, regardless of what the breeder tells you, to bring your new baby home.
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Old 11-10-2018, 08:53 PM
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

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Oh boy do I know what thatís like. I bought a Hyacinth from someone that needed quick cash and the bird was only seven months old. Hyacinths can take a year to fledge and to wean! My kitchen was a mess because we spoon fed him his baby food every four hours for another seven months!!!!! It was incredibly difficult. I was not experienced but we made it through and I had him for twenty five years until I put him into a breeding program. He was like a giant, feathered puppy. I think anyone attempting to hand feed a bird regardless of size should really think about not doing it unless you are very experienced. I am bringing home in ten days a Golden Conure. The breeder told me today that he has weaned early but I am not taking him yet because I want to be assured he is definitely weaned. Donít rush to get your new bird home from a breeder. Wait and really research what kind of bird it is and how long in the wild does it take for a baby bird to wean. Then research several breeders and get a consensus about how long it takes for that type of bird to wean and then make the decision, regardless of what the breeder tells you, to bring your new baby home.
Absolute excellent advice from a new member of our flock. This is what we all on this site preach(for lack of a better description!).WELCOME
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

As dear friend Allee eloquently stated, there are always exceptions!

My mom hand-fed three baby Goffins from separate clutches, each abandoned by their parents after 3 to 5 days. First time the chick was discovered cold and bluish third day post hatching. Made the decision to permanently remove after discussion with a breeder friend. Thankfully mom was a quick-study and her boss permitted copious feeding breaks at work! All thrived and 23 years later are happy and healthy.

A fully dependent Gabby:
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Re: For Anyone Thinking of Hand-Feeding an Unweaned Baby Bird Without Experience

LOL I am going to sound like a broken record here: handfeeding should only been done to save a life - not at as 'the norm'. Because the parrotparents (almost) always wll do a far superior job than any human can and with propper human-world-socialisation the normal fledging bird will be just as tame (or even more so because it will have less unnatural behaviourpatterns) as a nestpulled one.


People have been bringing me their found /broken birds ever since I was 7 or 8 years old, I am sick and tired of seeing them die unnecessarily because the humans just could not let them be.
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:14 PM
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As dear friend Allee eloquently stated, there are always exceptions!

My mom hand-fed three baby Goffins from separate clutches, each abandoned by their parents after 3 to 5 days. First time the chick was discovered cold and bluish third day post hatching. Made the decision to permanently remove after discussion with a breeder friend. Thankfully mom was a quick-study and her boss permitted copious feeding breaks at work! All thrived and 23 years later are happy and healthy.

A fully dependent Gabby:
I love this story and photo. Your mom is amazing and so is your flock.
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