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Old 04-16-2019, 12:00 AM
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I am down to the wire of having to pick kitchen appliances (fridge, slide in range/oven, dishwasher, microwave). I can’t decide on the brand. And when I ask if they are bird safe, the salespeople look at me like I am crazy.

Would love to know what brand forum members have (i.e. Ktichen Aid, Bosch, GE, etc.

Is a convention oven safe?

I figure others on the forum must have done their homework so I am hoping you can help me out.

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Old 04-16-2019, 01:11 AM
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

Not all appliances are serious hazards. Not familiar with refrigerator issues, mine is LG "French Door" configuration. (twin refrig doors, lower slide out freezer) Stove is gas cooktop, use cast iron only. Oven is electric, and I use non stickware pans. Do *not* use self-clean setting. Microwave is GE over cooktop. Dishwasher by Bosch. Breville convection oven, never use high heat or broil mode.
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

I wouldn't worry about the fridge as much as I would the oven, microwave and drip trays/range...if we are just talking about large appliances....

If you find a model that you like, write it down (model number, brand etc). Then Google the companies' consumer help-line and call them. They will have to take a message and call you back after they contact manufacturing with answers to your questions (it may take a few days). Sales/customer-service people know nothing about this stuff.
When you call or email, provide abbreviations and full names (spelling included) of the words in bold below:

Perfluorinated compounds (PFCs) are a family of fluorine-containing chemicals with unique properties to make materials stain- and stick-resistant.
There are many forms of PFCs, but the two most commonly found contaminants are:

PFOA or perfluorooctanoic acid, used to make Teflon™ products.
PFOS or perfluorooctane sulfonate, a breakdown product of chemicals formerly used to make Scotchgard® products.

Lastly, when you call, you will want to ask about PTFE or Polytetrafluoroethyline.

NOTE: No matter what kind of stove you get, you will want to run it at a high heat with your birds out of the house in order to allow it to burn off the toxic factory coatings that they use in new appliances to prevent corrosion. Provide plenty of time to air out the house before bringing your birds back in.
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

Exactly...You can't ask the salespeople, they would have no idea...You have to call the manufacturers and ask them about each individual appliance, because there are very few brands that don't use any PFC's or Teflon in ALL of their products. So some of LG's Microwaves and Ovens might be okay, but some not. You have to ask about each different model from each different brand...

And again it's the ovens/ranges, microwaves, etc..And definitely any Convection Ovens, Toaster Ovens, etc. because a lot of the are not bird-safe at all...
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

I have been on the phone and in chat rooms with both KitchenAid and Bosch and I am not making any headway. They said they cannot provide the component and material information. I even tried to escalate it to a manager and go the same answers.


Scott - thank you for providing the appliances you use.


Can others on here, give me the brands they use and for which appliance (i.e. Bosch oven/range, etc.)



I am really stressing on this but I don't want to not remodel my kitchen because of it.
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:43 PM
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

I personally think you are worrying yourself unnecessarily...

They are just appliances... and are going to be as safe for you as they are to your bird. I have a two door old refrigerator, a plug in toaster, a microwave, a dishwasher, gas stove and have never had a single issue with cooking or anything kitchen related. You'll likely be hard pressed to find answers on all thee technical questions because it's just not really the companies concern about birds..

Any appliance you pick should be absolutely fine and I have never heard of a death of birds from kitchen appliances themselves -- NOT talking about self cleaning ovens or Teflon pans but I really don't think you need to worry this much. Just my opinion.
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

While I don’t want to give any guarantees, I don’t believe any of the standard large kitchen appliances would contain Teflon (except MAYBE some microwaves, but I’d imagine they’d proudly declare that it was nonstick inside all over the packaging/product description). There is no need for a fridge or dishwasher to contain it and I’m fairly certain that ovens get too hot for Teflon to withstand, especially ones with “self clean” cycles that get up over 800 degrees f if I’m not mistaken (which BTW shouldn’t ever be used with birds as the burnt food itself can be toxic). In any case, I would hold off on new appliances if possible until summer when you can open all the doors and windows and move your birds to a far away room as all new appliances do put of some fumes just from being new materials.

The appliances you really have to watch out for tend to be small speciality appliances like toaster ovens, air fryers, waffle makers etc...
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

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I have been on the phone and in chat rooms with both KitchenAid and Bosch and I am not making any headway. They said they cannot provide the component and material information. I even tried to escalate it to a manager and go the same answers.


Scott - thank you for providing the appliances you use.


Can others on here, give me the brands they use and for which appliance (i.e. Bosch oven/range, etc.)



I am really stressing on this but I don't want to not remodel my kitchen because of it.
That's insane--I have never had them tell me NO. They have told me that they cannot give me that information and then I have said, "I understand that you do not know what your product is made of but is anyone who does? I need to make an inquiry with the manufacturers due to the fact that these chemicals have a direct impact on the health of a family member and I cannot purchase from your company without this information." OR something like that...I have never ever had anyone refuse to give me a call-back when asking about this stuff. Call during normal business hours and tell them that you need to know and that if they need to transfer you to another department, that is fine...And, if you need to wait a few days for them to find the information, you should explain that you are willing to do so (even if they don't volunteer it).
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

I would worry about your toaster and any toaster oven (as well as the drip-trays on your actual oven) more than I would worry about the oven itself. Microwaves can and do contain it as well...
While there are ovens that contain these products, the toaster, toaster oven and drip trays are more likely dangerous. Do not ever use the self-clean function on an oven....for other reasons...
Honestly, when you say "Remodeling the kitchen" that makes me nervous about many things. I know that is annoying because you are already anxious, but any glues, paints, sanding etc...along with new appliances (even teflon free) will require serious air-out time.
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Re: HELP - Driving Myself Crazy - Kitchen Appliances

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I would worry about your toaster and any toaster oven (as well as the drip-trays on your actual oven) more than I would worry about the oven itself. Microwaves can and do contain it as well...
While there are ovens that contain these products, the toaster, toaster oven and drip trays are more likely dangerous. Do not ever use the self-clean function on an oven....for other reasons...
Honestly, when you say "Remodeling the kitchen" that makes me nervous about many things. I know that is annoying because you are already anxious, but any glues, paints, sanding etc...along with new appliances (even teflon free) will require serious air-out time.

I am going to stay at a friends house with my bird while the work is being done. Only returning when there is no smell. As far as the appliance manufacturers, I did call during normal business hours and tried to elevate my concerns to no avail. Once the remodel is done, I plan on moving my bird to the back of my house when I am cooking. Actually, I always do that because his cage sits close to our kitchen normally (in the little tv area adjacent to the kitchen).
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