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Old 01-04-2011, 07:19 PM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

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I will definantly have to keep a look out for these name brands! My husband loves to cook, but never really did like teflon. When we brought Wally home, we tossed out the couple that we did have. Now I can cook supper once in awhile and it not stick.
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Old 01-05-2011, 02:22 AM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Quote: Originally Posted by GreenCheek View Post
Have you found it to work as well as teflon Wildheart?
Nope it works MUCH better! Nothing sticks inside or out, it uses much less oil and everything are cooked evenly. I just wipe it clean with a serviette before I wash it, no scraping necessary.
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:37 PM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Well I was soooo excited to get the Neoflam and I did use it twice. WELL not to be a kill joy but after talking it over with other bird people and really looking into it and pulling out the Safe Data Sheet for Anion which is the outer layer (where you cook in) we found out that it does release toxic chemicals when heated above 400 degrees Farenheight! Talking with a "Chef" friend of mine, I guess it is very easy to reach that temp while frying!

So I gave it away and now I am very sad . But I can't take a chance. Here is the SDS :

http://architect.wwwcomm.com/Uploads...MSDS-SBMP1.pdf

Read : Combustion Products : among others, Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen Oxides etc..
Condition to avoid: above 400 degree F

So Too good to be true???

I thought you guys should know and be aware.....
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Old 01-06-2011, 05:38 AM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

After a little more research I can't seem to find any "non-stick" product claiming to be safe above 400 degrees. Here is the promo for the Aeternum ceramic cookware from the Bialetti website:
Our beautiful "Aeternum" line of cookware combines a beautiful design with modern eco friendly cooking technology for best results. The eco friendly Aeternum cookware line is free of PFOA, free of PTFE and free of Cadmium.

The interior features a new "nano-ceramic" coating which is a water-based coating made of titanium and suspended silicate micro-particles (the main component of glass); one of the purest and most ecological materials in nature. This material resists scratches, abrasions and offers a smooth, compact and uniform surface that makes it easier to clean. The white color provides a unique and extraordinary cooking experience.

The base provides excellent thermal conductivity and guarantees optimum heat distribution resulting in less energy required to maintain desired cooking temperature. The also scratch resistant hi-temp silicone exterior makes this cookware easy to clean.
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Oh wow, thanks guys! That really stinks. I'm wondering if there are any that are safe? I know Dr. Oz mentioned one that was safe around birds. Unless he meant the Neoflam and was just unaware?
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

If what you are saying is in fact true then Neoflam will be sued for false advertisement! It is written all over their box and advertised on tv as 100% safe. The product is also all over the world and therefore I can not for one moment think that they can lie and get away with it for such a long time!

Ecolon, Neoflam’s proprietary non-stick coating is made from ceramic that is completely PTFE and PFOA free. Because it is made from natural, non-toxic materials, it is safe for the human body and is environmentally friendly. Therefore it is impossible release harmful chemicals if it is not made from harmful chemicals.

I've searched and searched and I cant find even one site or sentence that claims that this product is harmful at any temperature.

I am not able to link Neoflam and the below SDS with each other?

Quote: Originally Posted by Echo View Post

So I gave it away and now I am very sad . But I can't take a chance. Here is the SDS :

http://architect.wwwcomm.com/Uploads...MSDS-SBMP1.pdf

Read : Combustion Products : among others, Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen Oxides etc..
Condition to avoid: above 400 degree F

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Old 02-01-2011, 12:10 PM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

If you look at the box again and read what the layers are(to make the pan) you will see that the outer layer, the non-stick part you cook in is ANION. The SDS for Anion is what I posted.....
Yes it is probably safe for humans (Teflon won't kill you either)........but when heated above 400 degrees, it release harmful chemicals that would be dangerous for the sensitive Parrot/Bird.
The company never wrote or stated the product to be safe for Parrots/Birds so no lawsuit would be expected.......
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:13 PM
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Maybe what does get released with high temps might not be enough to qualify as harmful to humans......but for our birds it could be fatal.
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Well crap, started reading this thread and got all excited. They say 400 deg. doesn't it take 600 deg for Teflon to release?
I work at a Dupont site (we don't make Teflon here) Iwill see if I can find any more info on it.
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Re: Bird-safe nonstick cookware?

Quote: Originally Posted by Echo View Post
The company never wrote or stated the product to be safe for Parrots/Birds so no lawsuit would be expected.......
They did however write it big on the box that it is absolutely free of harmful chemicals 100% PFOA & PTFE-free. They also state no toxic fumes emitted while cooking.

To me that is enough for a lawsuit. But heaven protect us that it will never be necessary.

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